"Chief Brody from the Jaws movie would not have lasted a day in Puerto Penasco...trouble maker.." We're going to need a bigger Army!
sonoyta safety warning...
Started by jerry · Apr 1, 2014 · 206 replies
jerry said:That was a while back. My point is theseTourist magazines donot offer much in the way toward helpful advice when the possibility of danger,fraud or inconvenience appears.....Chief Brody from the Jaws movie would not have lasted a day in Puerto Penasco...trouble maker..
I'm curious, I was wondering if your companionators were giving you a like for your anti-magazine quote or you calling me a trouble maker?!
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I think it was the troublemaker comment myself.
I think he was calling Chief Brody a trouble maker... At least that's what i liked, Somebody willing to close the beaches when a shark is in the water
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playaperro said:I'm curious, I was wondering if your companionators were giving you a like for your anti-magazine quote or you calling me a trouble maker?!
The magazine comment.
mis2810 said:The magazine comment.
DOG.......In a lovable way you are a troublemaker in the service of the powers that be. I was calling Chief Brody a troublemaker...sorry
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jerry said:In a lovable way you are a troublemaker in the service of the powers that be but I was calling Chief Brody a troublemaker...sorry
Was that for me or the Dog?
gotta love communicating on the internet!
mis2810 said:Was that for me or the Dog?
Sorry for the dog.....three year old smart phone.....
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jerry said:Heating up again...."
Yesterday heavy fighting between gunmen and police in Sonoyta in Loma Bonita colony left as stock four detainees, weapons and a vehicle insured, registered facts around about 16:30 Saturday 18 October.
The facts transcend unofficially version and witnesses who were raised on 15th Street and Avenue Mario Morua, which started the brawl between gunmen first, hence the miscreants fled towards Obregon Street exit east of the city toward the Desert Sonora, being chased by members of different corporations that had already been alerted, culminating near the municipal cemetery where they were arrested by the army and Municipal Police, after confronting the authorities with bullets.
The place was assured a Trail Blazer gray, addressing the four subjects who were wounded apparently by gunfire, whom I was assure them four assault rifles, Ak-47, known as "goat horn", a rifle .223 caliber, 4 metal disc chargers for Ak-47, 20 metallic chargers Ak-47 8 plastic boots Ak-47.
The subjects were brought under heavy security in ambulances of the Red Cross to the city of Puerto Penasco, Sonora, whom transcends could be Ivan Almazan, alias "El Chacarron" who was the driver of the vehicle, Daniel Lazcano Gonzales, Néstor Pablo Quintero Ramos and Pablo Ibarra Arechiga.
The ongoing violence in Sonoyta, every day continues to grow, with a cry of citizens who ask stop executions and crimes where the citizen is at the mercy of organized crime in this border town. More important to note however is that this time the authorities of the three levels of government acted quickly and managed to secure these dangerous individuals. Photo Taken from Facebook
Has there been anymore info on this situation? We thought something was up late Sat afternoon. The police had a checkpoint on the El Golfo highway just past the entrance to Laguna del Mar. Have been through that intersection many times in the last two weeks and Sat afternoon was the only time we have seen them there. They had pulled over a couple trucks (not pickup trucks or semis, but small trucks with enclosures in the back) and were going through a bunch of packages. We also saw the military helicopter come in and land around 6:00 pm that night at the navy base.
Helicopters over PP 2 or 3 times last weekend. The Frontera Sonoyta Facebook page said there were a couple of shooting incidents over the weekend.
mis2810 said:Helicopters over PP 2 or 3 times last weekend. The Frontera Sonoyta Facebook page said there were a couple of shooting incidents over the weekend.
When we were there last weekend. A military plane flew down Sandy Beach toward Cholla
The Second Army unit is back in force.This unit is straight arrow and points out the failings of local officials...the fur will fly...
http://hcaborca.info/n3/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=246:la-neta&catid=18
I met the General 5 years ago by chance.....a power house.....not sure if he is still running the show but local guy with ties to dark side said local gangsters are really freaked out these guys are back down here sweeping the coast.New to the area they are going to shake stuff up.The Second believes the political hacks in Sonoyta are in the pockets of the cartel and the state police too....
The crooks are shutting bricks Aponte's unit is back.He just played a big part in cleaning up Sinaloa.
From a story by Mike of the border reporter years ago "
THE BORDER REPORT
Gen. Sergio Aponte Polito, the Army general who has so badly shaken up northwestern Mexico, was ousted Thursday, to the sweaty relief of many, many bureaucrats in Baja California and Sonora.
I’ve enjoyed writing about the general’s exploits over the past year, even when the doings of some of his men were sometimes shady.
There was the time last year when a regional drug trafficker shot one of his planes down with a .50-cal. in Caborca. The general responded with something like fifteen seizures topping some 80 tons of weed.
He made it so bad for the drug traffickers of Caborca and Sonoyta that a church service was held last fall in Sonoyta, local families praying to San Judas Tadeo for the Army to get the hell out so the town’s economy could return to normal.
Then there was the time his men started digging into the mausoleum of Octavio Paez, a distant relative of the Caro Quintero family and the drug trafficker who controlled Caborca and Sasabe before he was done in by the Sinaloans. Apparently the general’s men had received word there were guns stashed in the old man’s grave.
In Baja California, he took the fight straight to the state and federal level, naming names, dropping state politicos straight into the Mexicali and Tijuana newspapers as negotiators for the Arellano Felix family. He not only published names, but the dates his men were approached to disregard landing strips and lift highway checkpoints. At least one high level prosecutor lost her job over those deliciously public denouncements.
When U.S. Border Patrol agent Luis Aguilar was killed last winter, Aponte’s men fell on the suspected killer’s boss’s properties in Mexicali, seizing three homes and arresting I don’t know how many people.
There were problems though, perhaps indicative of normal corruption levels that cannot be avoided even among Mexico’s staunchest law enforcers, or perhaps a thread of corruption that runs so deeply ingrained, it can only be seen on the political level.
The general, who also did stints in Hermosillo, Sonora, and Culiacán, Sinaloa, very, very publicly trashed the political power structures of all three of these states, but his timing was always curious.
For example, in Sonora, he waited until after Alfredo Beltrán Leyva, El Mochomo’s arrest, to say anything. Keep in mind that Mochomo controlled four of the five ports of entry leading into Arizona for the past seven years.
Prior to that, he attacked the PAN-istas in Sinaloa, then was quickly snatched out by the PAN federal government and placed in Quintana Roo.
Maybe his ego served as his downfall, a form of hubris where the general started thinking he was more powerful than the gods who put him in power.
A week or so ago, he wrote a 5,666 word piece denouncing what he deemed the latest attack by the Baja California power elite. The rumor was that the general had fired off a shot in a posh Mexicali restaurant; some say it happened, some say it did not. Either way, he flew into a literary tirade about the incident as persecution.
Maybe it was and maybe it wasn’t. Zeta magazine didn’t seem to disbelieve the event took place and maybe the general really did lose his shit for an instant.
But the point is this; last April I started wondering what the point of his declarations was if nobody was paying attention.
After the fact or not, the general was challenging power structure and nobody in Mexico City seemed to give the slightest goddam.
Five months later, it seems someone finally did – and they got rid of the general causing all the ruckus.
As strong a sign of complicity by the federal government as I’ve ever seen. They can seize all the mid-level traffickers and marijuana bales they want; but if they’re dumping the brains behind their forces, they are purposefully rendering themselves impotent.
Adios, mí generál. Que Dios cuide tu camino y sea tu fortaleza en los senderos que tomes.
– Michel Marizco
http://hcaborca.info/n3/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=246:la-neta&catid=18
I met the General 5 years ago by chance.....a power house.....not sure if he is still running the show but local guy with ties to dark side said local gangsters are really freaked out these guys are back down here sweeping the coast.New to the area they are going to shake stuff up.The Second believes the political hacks in Sonoyta are in the pockets of the cartel and the state police too....
The crooks are shutting bricks Aponte's unit is back.He just played a big part in cleaning up Sinaloa.
From a story by Mike of the border reporter years ago "
THE BORDER REPORT
Gen. Sergio Aponte Polito, the Army general who has so badly shaken up northwestern Mexico, was ousted Thursday, to the sweaty relief of many, many bureaucrats in Baja California and Sonora.
I’ve enjoyed writing about the general’s exploits over the past year, even when the doings of some of his men were sometimes shady.
There was the time last year when a regional drug trafficker shot one of his planes down with a .50-cal. in Caborca. The general responded with something like fifteen seizures topping some 80 tons of weed.
He made it so bad for the drug traffickers of Caborca and Sonoyta that a church service was held last fall in Sonoyta, local families praying to San Judas Tadeo for the Army to get the hell out so the town’s economy could return to normal.
Then there was the time his men started digging into the mausoleum of Octavio Paez, a distant relative of the Caro Quintero family and the drug trafficker who controlled Caborca and Sasabe before he was done in by the Sinaloans. Apparently the general’s men had received word there were guns stashed in the old man’s grave.
In Baja California, he took the fight straight to the state and federal level, naming names, dropping state politicos straight into the Mexicali and Tijuana newspapers as negotiators for the Arellano Felix family. He not only published names, but the dates his men were approached to disregard landing strips and lift highway checkpoints. At least one high level prosecutor lost her job over those deliciously public denouncements.
When U.S. Border Patrol agent Luis Aguilar was killed last winter, Aponte’s men fell on the suspected killer’s boss’s properties in Mexicali, seizing three homes and arresting I don’t know how many people.
There were problems though, perhaps indicative of normal corruption levels that cannot be avoided even among Mexico’s staunchest law enforcers, or perhaps a thread of corruption that runs so deeply ingrained, it can only be seen on the political level.
The general, who also did stints in Hermosillo, Sonora, and Culiacán, Sinaloa, very, very publicly trashed the political power structures of all three of these states, but his timing was always curious.
For example, in Sonora, he waited until after Alfredo Beltrán Leyva, El Mochomo’s arrest, to say anything. Keep in mind that Mochomo controlled four of the five ports of entry leading into Arizona for the past seven years.
Prior to that, he attacked the PAN-istas in Sinaloa, then was quickly snatched out by the PAN federal government and placed in Quintana Roo.
Maybe his ego served as his downfall, a form of hubris where the general started thinking he was more powerful than the gods who put him in power.
A week or so ago, he wrote a 5,666 word piece denouncing what he deemed the latest attack by the Baja California power elite. The rumor was that the general had fired off a shot in a posh Mexicali restaurant; some say it happened, some say it did not. Either way, he flew into a literary tirade about the incident as persecution.
Maybe it was and maybe it wasn’t. Zeta magazine didn’t seem to disbelieve the event took place and maybe the general really did lose his shit for an instant.
But the point is this; last April I started wondering what the point of his declarations was if nobody was paying attention.
After the fact or not, the general was challenging power structure and nobody in Mexico City seemed to give the slightest goddam.
Five months later, it seems someone finally did – and they got rid of the general causing all the ruckus.
As strong a sign of complicity by the federal government as I’ve ever seen. They can seize all the mid-level traffickers and marijuana bales they want; but if they’re dumping the brains behind their forces, they are purposefully rendering themselves impotent.
Adios, mí generál. Que Dios cuide tu camino y sea tu fortaleza en los senderos que tomes.
– Michel Marizco
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Good, but bad at the same time. Not fond of the "cucaracha" effect this could produce.
http://lanetanews.net/2.0/2015/05/enfrentamiento-entre-bandas-deja-saldo-de-varios-muertos-en-sonoyta/ flack jacket...check.....not traveling at night ...check.....Away from town but this battle is o going...guys killed in the states last week
http://www.elsoldecaborca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13148:se-enfrenta-la-pesp-contra-grupo-armado-entre-sonoyta-y-caborca&catid=4:sonoyta&Itemid=3. Better story...hard life being a gun slinger...
Landshark said:US banks. Banks worldwide. Probably the bank you do business with. It appears they all do it. Google it. It's unbelievable what they are getting away with.
Yeah, my bank in Wi is making tons of dough on it here. You guys might want to buy larger tin foil hats. LOL
Sonora said:Yeah, my bank in Wi is making tons of dough on it here. You guys might want to buy larger tin foil hats. LOL
Yeah, you're right, the banks are all good, especially in Wi.
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jerry said:http://www.elsoldecaborca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13148:se-enfrenta-la-pesp-contra-grupo-armado-entre-sonoyta-y-caborca&catid=4:sonoyta&Itemid=3. Better story...hard life being a gun slinger...
You know Jerry when I first saw this story unfolding on facebook I was thinking our very own JJ had skipped out on a gas bill again, got to be out of it to do that JMHO, anyway the imparcial ran the story about these "Bajadores" man they didn't even make it ti the border to rip off the poor crosser's. Did you have a chance to read it?
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Tough world on the border Perro...that story sure did not get much coverage
Once upon a time when we had a government with leaders that had cojones grandes this childish border crap was unheard of.
Do you remember when DEA Kiki got himself murdered near Caborca? The drug lord responsible, whose name I cannot remember, had a big hacienda almost next door the the old mission. The Mex police and military knew it and did nothing.
Late one night five blacked-out UH-1H Hueys showed up and blew the place to a smouldering rubble heap then flew off into the night. Sadly the head tamale wasn't home at the time but we did make a big contribution to the Caborca cemetery that week.
A little well placed fire and lead put the little scurrying cucarachas back into their toilet holes. The hit was within easy round trip flight operations from Ft. Huachuca, AZ.
JJ
Do you remember when DEA Kiki got himself murdered near Caborca? The drug lord responsible, whose name I cannot remember, had a big hacienda almost next door the the old mission. The Mex police and military knew it and did nothing.
Late one night five blacked-out UH-1H Hueys showed up and blew the place to a smouldering rubble heap then flew off into the night. Sadly the head tamale wasn't home at the time but we did make a big contribution to the Caborca cemetery that week.
A little well placed fire and lead put the little scurrying cucarachas back into their toilet holes. The hit was within easy round trip flight operations from Ft. Huachuca, AZ.
JJ
Estero said:
The 'memos' and 'The Salazar' dispute the square (Sonoyta)....I thought that fat assed mayor was dirty.... Jim, I have been to the sq. block sized unfinished for 20 years Casa Raphael in downtown Caborca...no sign of bullet holes....for the last 25 years Caborca has been the center of a successful smuggling empire..,think your crew missed...just like Iraq when a president with no brains and plenty of balls( your boy Bush) ruined the world
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Hey Jerry................
My Commander In Chief was instrumental in putting a half million of those hairy-assed-camel-humpers six feet under within the first week of the invasion. I really have my doubts that they were ever able to locate enough of the seventy two virgins each had been promised by the howlers in the minarets that they had to endure all of their lives three times a day. Although, they never detailed what type of virgins to expect! That could be the difference between a hole and a pole!
JJ
My Commander In Chief was instrumental in putting a half million of those hairy-assed-camel-humpers six feet under within the first week of the invasion. I really have my doubts that they were ever able to locate enough of the seventy two virgins each had been promised by the howlers in the minarets that they had to endure all of their lives three times a day. Although, they never detailed what type of virgins to expect! That could be the difference between a hole and a pole!
JJ
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Jungle Jim said:Once upon a time when we had a government with leaders that had cojones grandes this childish border crap was unheard of.
Do you remember when DEA Kiki got himself murdered near Caborca? The drug lord responsible, whose name I cannot remember, had a big hacienda almost next door the the old mission. The Mex police and military knew it and did nothing.
Late one night five blacked-out UH-1H Hueys showed up and blew the place to a smouldering rubble heap then flew off into the night. Sadly the head tamale wasn't home at the time but we did make a big contribution to the Caborca cemetery that week.
A little well placed fire and lead put the little scurrying cucarachas back into their toilet holes. The hit was within easy round trip flight operations from Ft. Huachuca, AZ.
JJ
You crack me up with the disinformation you post on here BUT i get a kick out of it at least you start with once upon a time, unlike the trigger guy. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1988-08-08/news/8802150734_1_mexican-drug-drug-dealers-drug-trafficking
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Local news all a chatter about police and military activity in Sonoyta today. Take care going through there if you are coming down.
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I went down Friday the 8th. At the left turn past the Pemex and next to the other Pemex, I seen I bet 25 plus polica cars all lined up 3 deep. And of course the truck pulling someone over. Crazy, 3 pulled off and only one got the radar gun pointed in their face.
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Went through Sonoyta on the 12th returning back. Saw many police and military heading out of town all ready to rock an roll. But I felt pretty confident they weren't after me and my wife and two dogs in the RV. Stopped and had lunch in our favorite eatery in Sonoyta. Glad to see all the police and military cleaning up the place. Donated a buck at the stop sign and moved on.
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Came through yesterday about 11:30am. Waved on through at the border even with a loaded truck, 2 dogs and a boat in tow. Saw one fedarale car and one policia truck. By-pass is open and really nice and smooth. Federale checkpoint a couple of miles out of Sonoyta, slowed down and he waved us through. PDO starting to fill up. Hope the wind dies down a little.
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Sonoyta, Son.- The Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA) reported that last May 28 while performing land reconnaissance in the Caborca-Sonoyta highway section of the federal highway of the municipality of Sonoyta, was secured a tractor company Beavers in where they are carrying 948 packages of marijuana, whose weight was approximately 9 tons 646 kilograms. The ministry said that the people who were at the scene, noting the military presence fled, leaving behind 12 vehicles coming guarding the tractor. Therefore military troops conducted a review to automotive, locating inside a truck 948 packages of marijuana weighing about 9 tons 646 kilograms. And then to expand the area radio awards, eleven vehicles more together made sure the truck, one Jeep Grand Cherokee, gray, green color other Laredo type, a Ford Expedition, gray color, a colored sand Suburban truck type a 1500 Chevrolet, Suburban green type, a van Tacoma silver a Nissan Sentra car, white, a Ram pickup, white, a representative vehicle Toyota Corrolla, navy, finally a Toyota Sequoia, silver . The drug and insured vehicles were put at the disposal of the Federal Public Ministry of Sonoyta, Sonora for the corresponding investigation against the person responsible
Hey Jerrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiii.........
Are you on acid or is that story the result of a really shitty translator program?
My peanut brain can hardly comprehend it. I did get "tractor company Beavers" AKA: Castores trucking.
JJ
Are you on acid or is that story the result of a really shitty translator program?
My peanut brain can hardly comprehend it. I did get "tractor company Beavers" AKA: Castores trucking.
JJ
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Sonoyta Police just got 11 new trucks and a bunch of weed
First thing I saw this morning was the article about Sonoyta Fears on front page of Tucson paper. I wonder if that make people afraid to go to Rocky Point. 15 years ago we used to go down on Friday nights but not anymore. Daytime for us now.
http://tucson.com/news/local/border/fear-grips-sonoyta-shootouts-plague-sonora-border-area/article_8b934a73-c3cb-5877-8917-17de6f0940cb.html. Good story...the murder of the cop at the Circle K full of people was covered up to keep the grifters happy
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Most drug shipments are believed to arrive in Puerto Peñasco. From there they go east to Agua Prieta, Sonoyta, San Luis Río Colorado, Nogales or are shipped by foot north through the desert, where there is less law enforcement, Stratfor has reported.
Most drug shipments are believed to arrive in Puerto Peñasco. From there they go east to Agua Prieta, Sonoyta, San Luis Río Colorado, Nogales or are shipped by foot north through the desert, where there is less law enforcement, Stratfor has reported.
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This is pretty interesting that they are siting Puerto Peñasco as the hub.
About 4 trips ago on one of our adventures we were heading (I guess west) on route 3 and came upon a couple little houses off the side of the road. We Stopped asking for possible entrance to the dunes North of the highway... not much English, but the basic answer was no.
Anyways about half way to the house there was a Federales check point and when I mentioned headin back to the check point the guy I was communicating with instantly got concerned and really tried his best English on me to try to figure out how far away they were.
He flat out told me he needed to contact his peoples cause they were making a run into town and thanked me for the info...
I know that there is no lack for finding anything you want in PP, but it just seems so obvious that it would be a hub that I figured no one would take the chance. Considering the lack of constant contention for control there, there has to be more than just the ruling cartel keeping things civil.
I would love to see where the money trails lead. Much bigger fish than the local politicians.... Possibly some of the heavy land owners. o_O
I am sure that's no revelation but man it is unbelievable how loud , or in this case how quiet money can keep things.
About 4 trips ago on one of our adventures we were heading (I guess west) on route 3 and came upon a couple little houses off the side of the road. We Stopped asking for possible entrance to the dunes North of the highway... not much English, but the basic answer was no.
Anyways about half way to the house there was a Federales check point and when I mentioned headin back to the check point the guy I was communicating with instantly got concerned and really tried his best English on me to try to figure out how far away they were.
He flat out told me he needed to contact his peoples cause they were making a run into town and thanked me for the info...
I know that there is no lack for finding anything you want in PP, but it just seems so obvious that it would be a hub that I figured no one would take the chance. Considering the lack of constant contention for control there, there has to be more than just the ruling cartel keeping things civil.
I would love to see where the money trails lead. Much bigger fish than the local politicians.... Possibly some of the heavy land owners. o_O
I am sure that's no revelation but man it is unbelievable how loud , or in this case how quiet money can keep things.
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They also reported Guzman escaped jail in 2014 when he's still locked up. We had Tacos tonight in Sonoyta, talking to someone who fishes in Lobo. We will not be going to Desierto de Sonora any time soon though.
MIRAMAR said:They also reported Guzman escaped jail in 2014 when he's still locked up. We had Tacos tonight in Sonoyta, talking to someone who fishes in Lobo. We will not be going to Desierto de Sonora any time soon though.
Miramar, you cannot wish this away.it is a real war with far more casualties than the story reports.A few near misses down here,Y Griega,Caborca and Sonoyta(circle k) where it is just blind luck Americans were not wounded.....I see no easy way out but think it would be crazy to take this lightly,,,,,no night driving,windows down if tinted....The Factions are at each other's throats...
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We are heading down Friday Morning for Fathers Day. I have been trying to not worry.
But a co-worker and her family are finally going down after quite a bit of talking up the experience for some time now. I don't want to voice or type anything that could cause.... well you know. I am not as much worried about our experience as much as theirs.
It's like recommending a restaurant and having a friend go the one night that the service and meal sucks! Lol.
At least they are all fluent Spanish speakers, Mexicans from L.A., via Sinoloa. But I have been harping at her for over a year and a half to go down. :confused:
But a co-worker and her family are finally going down after quite a bit of talking up the experience for some time now. I don't want to voice or type anything that could cause.... well you know. I am not as much worried about our experience as much as theirs.
It's like recommending a restaurant and having a friend go the one night that the service and meal sucks! Lol.
At least they are all fluent Spanish speakers, Mexicans from L.A., via Sinoloa. But I have been harping at her for over a year and a half to go down. :confused:
I can tell you this much Hill, the shore fishing should be outstanding.:)
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Kenny said:I can tell you this much Hill, the shore fishing should be outstanding.:)
Thats the kind of stuff I like to hear! hehe
The last time down I figured out a few things! Don't know if you saw the pics but they was plenty tasty too!
Hillbeartoe said:This is pretty interesting that they are siting Puerto Peñasco as the hub.
About 4 trips ago on one of our adventures we were heading (I guess west) on route 3 and came upon a couple little houses off the side of the road. We Stopped asking for possible entrance to the dunes North of the highway... not much English, but the basic answer was no.
Anyways about half way to the house there was a Federales check point and when I mentioned headin back to the check point the guy I was communicating with instantly got concerned and really tried his best English on me to try to figure out how far away they were.
He flat out told me he needed to contact his peoples cause they were making a run into town and thanked me for the info...
I know that there is no lack for finding anything you want in PP, but it just seems so obvious that it would be a hub that I figured no one would take the chance. Considering the lack of constant contention for control there, there has to be more than just the ruling cartel keeping things civil.
I would love to see where the money trails lead. Much bigger fish than the local politicians.... Possibly some of the heavy land owners. o_O
I am sure that's no revelation but man it is unbelievable how loud , or in this case how quiet money can keep things.
Hillbeartoe, The guy you probably talked to was P S...to get into his little ranch you have to jump the railroad tracks..if you noticed his property is the only property between Penasco and El Golfo that you have to jump the tracks to get to it, that's because that area is in the nucleus of the Pinacate Reserve and it is illegal now to build, drive or even take a rock from the place...Thats why he wouldn't give you access to the dunes, if the reserve rangers catch you riding in the dunes you will be charged with a federal crime...About the PGR checkpoint on the way out...they are out there for many things, not just drugs and guns, his problem and his families problem when the federali's are working,are the Condefa plates they use on their vehicles, the feds will confiscate their cars if they get caught outside of Penasco, using those plates...They are green and white and made of cardboard... (they are used to half ass give people the chance to drive the vehicles that they cant afford to legalize and to the feds are an illegal plate...because 99 % of the time the vehicles are still in the name of the person that sold it to them...http://ppsmiradorregional.blogspot.com/2010/07/condefa-busca-legalizacion-vehiculos.html
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I was actually trying my best not to pinpoint anyone or any particular place as not to possibly implicate anyone wrongly. I would hate to cause anything. It's the main reason I have never said anything before.
That's interesting information.
I didn't dig to deep just was told a couple things and left it at that. Headed back and found a way to the estuaries past Laguna shores.
I didn't want to put myself in any kind of position one way or another.
Who ever he was was very nice and we tried our best to communicate. He was a younger guy, me being mid40s. We haven't been back there but probably past it along the coast exploring. We try to stay near the water as much as possible.
Thank you for the information.
Edit: On second thought it might be wise to remove that person's name from the posting and reword it to speak of people in general. The info about the reserve is very good information for peoe to know about that visit the forum.
Just a thought .
That's interesting information.
I didn't dig to deep just was told a couple things and left it at that. Headed back and found a way to the estuaries past Laguna shores.
I didn't want to put myself in any kind of position one way or another.
Who ever he was was very nice and we tried our best to communicate. He was a younger guy, me being mid40s. We haven't been back there but probably past it along the coast exploring. We try to stay near the water as much as possible.
Thank you for the information.
Edit: On second thought it might be wise to remove that person's name from the posting and reword it to speak of people in general. The info about the reserve is very good information for peoe to know about that visit the forum.
Just a thought .
You're welcome, thank you..
Bottom sort of churned up the last 4 days...not the best until it calms....
Hillbeartoe said:Thats the kind of stuff I like to hear! hehe
The last time down I figured out a few things! Don't know if you saw the pics but they was plenty tasty too!
LOL, triggers!
MIRAMAR said:They also reported Guzman escaped jail in 2014 when he's still locked up.
I got the same impression and wondered why I hadn't heard of Guzman escaping, but then I read it again carefully and saw the writer actually meant this El Memos character escaped from prison.
"El Memos came to power with help from Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, the head of the Sinaloa Cartel who was arrested in February 2014. He and his two bodyguards escaped a Sinaloa prison in 2014 through a tunnel that was dug into the prison from the outside."
Awkward, but decipherable with some effort. With newspapers in severe decline, copy editing just isn't what it used to be.
playaperro said:LOL, triggers!
You don't like Trigger fish Playa? Man they were great tasting, I had heard they were good eating for some time but I am hoping to catch some more. Ex boss says to fry them in crushed Ranch Lays! Lol.
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Hillbeartoe said:You don't like Trigger fish Playa? Man they were great tasting, I had heard they were good eating for some time but I am hoping to catch some more. Ex boss says to fry them in crushed Ranch Lays! Lol.
I don't recall eating trigger before, I guess its all in the prep, ate some Manta rey tacos at a beach party the other day and they were very good, better than carne asada steet tacos they also had. The manta was not deep fried kind of look like carne deshebrada.
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playaperro said:I don't recall eating trigger before, I guess its all in the prep, ate some Mata tacos at a beach party the other day and they were very good, better than carne asada steet tacos they also had. The mata was not deep fried kind of look like carne deshebrada.
Fillet.
Split fillet cutting blood line out.
Marinade (in a ziplock bag) 2Tbsp. of Soy Sauce, 1 Tsp Sesame Oil and 1 Tsp. Sugar, for 15 minutes.
Mix in one 1 large egg and 1/4 cup of corn starch, mix by hand.
Deep fry at 375 till they float and are golden Brown.
Serve with any sauce.
Wrong section for this but food and cooking are a special thing to me. Anytime anywhere.
Oh, by the way buddy careful with the Mata or Surgeon fish.
I had to look it up because I thought I had read that "They are considered good food fish, however, there is a concern that they may contain Cigua Toxin, which is present in Surgeonfish outside the Eastern Pacific."
http://www.mexfish.com/mexico/yellowfin-surgeonfish/
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playaperro said:I don't recall eating trigger before, I guess its all in the prep, ate some Mata tacos at a beach party the other day and they were very good, better than carne asada steet tacos they also had. The mata was not deep fried kind of look like carne deshebrada.
Great fish sandwich Baja style fish
Hillbeartoe said:Fillet.
Split fillet cutting blood line out.
Marinade (in a ziplock bag) 2Tbsp. of Soy Sauce, 1 Tsp Sesame Oil and 1 Tsp. Sugar, for 15 minutes.
Mix in one 1 large egg and 1/4 cup of corn starch, mix by hand.
Deep fry at 375 till they float and are golden Brown.
Serve with any sauce.
Wrong section for this but food and cooking are a special thing to me. Anytime anywhere.
Oh, by the way buddy careful with the Mata or Surgeon fish.
I had to look it up because I thought I had read that "They are considered good food fish, however, there is a concern that they may contain Cigua Toxin, which is present in Surgeonfish outside the Eastern Pacific."
http://www.mexfish.com/mexico/yellowfin-surgeonfish/
It was manta not mata sorry, its good Kenny didn't catch it or he would been all over this.
playaperro said:It was manta not mata sorry, its good Kenny didn't catch it or he would been all over this.
Ahh. Ok. I have heard Manta is good too. But believe it or not I have ethical issues eating rays as well as sharks but, I guess when they are prepped right its some goot sheeit.
You know they pee through their skin right? Lol.
You should definitely try some trigger Perro, it's firm and almost crabby textured. We will be down there Friday through Mon. and I am planning on trying the Ranch Lays fry recipe. I will let you know.
Trigger fish is firm and a bit sweet like crab- love it for fish tacos.
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playaperro said:It was manta not mata sorry, its good Kenny didn't catch it or he would been all over this.
Mantas are in close following streams of jellyfish,jumping ..can see from shore north of me
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No jellyfish last weekend in Miramar. Can't wait to go down this weekend!
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I have been told that trigger fish is used in many places that serve fish tacos, I have no complaints.
FACT CHECKING TIME.........
Anyone out there see a real Manta Ray lately? You know, black on top white on bottom up to 20 feet from wing tip to wing tip? Harmless plankton eating giant. Weighing in at a ton or more? They used to fly out of the water and hit the surface with the sound of a cannon shot. One of the true gentle giants of the deep. The last time I ever saw a genuine monster adult was say back in the 70's on the Topalabampo ferry across the Gulf to Baja California. I saw dozens of them jumping, sometimes five or six at a time.
When I first got to Yuma in 1984 I used to go to Los Algodones, BC where they had a fish market on a smaller scale of the filthy smelly shit fly infested lineup at the RP Malecon. Most of the offerings were fairly fresh from Baja, probably San Felipe and further south. They always had fresh bloody Pacifice Ridley sea turtle steaks as well as ten inch thick slabs of Manta Raya. Man-o-man talk about some un-godly savory delicious stuff! Well it wasn't long before us Gringos couldn't bring the turtle accross but soon after no mas por Manta Raya as well.
Since then and going to RP I have never seen a slab of genuine Manta Raya with the distinctive black on top white on bottom skin. The rip-off- a-holes at the Malecon always trim off the skin then pass off a half dozen other species of rays and even Shovel-Nosed Sharks as the superbly delicious Manta Raya with an outrageous price as well. I don't think that any other profession, if one can call it that: AKA RP Malecon Fish Mongers better deserve a permanent dip in Fire Lake. They are all liars and thieves and openly admit it with their double standard sets of scales. There was a time when they actually had whole fish that the customer could identify and have a fillet or steak cut fresh. No Mas!! Everything is a fugin mystery fish, if it is a fish at all.
Two times now I bought their so-called Flounder=Lenguado, knowing damn well it was just Eagle Ray and looked directly into their evil lying eyes whilst making the purchase, only because I wanted to actually try and cook it to see what it was like.
Must admit, my wolf pack wouldn't even eat it, my big boy Mescalito just pissed on it and walked away, the flies wern't even interested. I wonder if the stuff is even fit for my garden compost heap.
Well, supper time, two pounds of top quality camaron mediano brownies from the guys on Sinaloa.
See Ya All this weekend!
JJ
Anyone out there see a real Manta Ray lately? You know, black on top white on bottom up to 20 feet from wing tip to wing tip? Harmless plankton eating giant. Weighing in at a ton or more? They used to fly out of the water and hit the surface with the sound of a cannon shot. One of the true gentle giants of the deep. The last time I ever saw a genuine monster adult was say back in the 70's on the Topalabampo ferry across the Gulf to Baja California. I saw dozens of them jumping, sometimes five or six at a time.
When I first got to Yuma in 1984 I used to go to Los Algodones, BC where they had a fish market on a smaller scale of the filthy smelly shit fly infested lineup at the RP Malecon. Most of the offerings were fairly fresh from Baja, probably San Felipe and further south. They always had fresh bloody Pacifice Ridley sea turtle steaks as well as ten inch thick slabs of Manta Raya. Man-o-man talk about some un-godly savory delicious stuff! Well it wasn't long before us Gringos couldn't bring the turtle accross but soon after no mas por Manta Raya as well.
Since then and going to RP I have never seen a slab of genuine Manta Raya with the distinctive black on top white on bottom skin. The rip-off- a-holes at the Malecon always trim off the skin then pass off a half dozen other species of rays and even Shovel-Nosed Sharks as the superbly delicious Manta Raya with an outrageous price as well. I don't think that any other profession, if one can call it that: AKA RP Malecon Fish Mongers better deserve a permanent dip in Fire Lake. They are all liars and thieves and openly admit it with their double standard sets of scales. There was a time when they actually had whole fish that the customer could identify and have a fillet or steak cut fresh. No Mas!! Everything is a fugin mystery fish, if it is a fish at all.
Two times now I bought their so-called Flounder=Lenguado, knowing damn well it was just Eagle Ray and looked directly into their evil lying eyes whilst making the purchase, only because I wanted to actually try and cook it to see what it was like.
Must admit, my wolf pack wouldn't even eat it, my big boy Mescalito just pissed on it and walked away, the flies wern't even interested. I wonder if the stuff is even fit for my garden compost heap.
Well, supper time, two pounds of top quality camaron mediano brownies from the guys on Sinaloa.
See Ya All this weekend!
JJ
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Uh, Sonoyta Safety Warning Thread ??
Hobie Vern said:Uh, Sonoyta Safety Warning Thread ??
Here you go Vern....no wait this is Rocky Point....Uhhhhh.....
Any idiota can tell you that animal is NOT a Manta Ray.
JJ
Any idiota can tell you that animal is NOT a Manta Ray.
JJ
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Jungle Jim said:Uhhhhh.....
Any idiota can tell you that animal is NOT a Manta Ray.
JJ
Its just a pic of a fish, where does it say its a manta ray?
I'll betcha Steve-oooo knows what that critter is!
JJ
JJ
It's a military stealth drone for under water recon. :cool:
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That picture Jerry is nothing compared to the bust this year in Nogales which is closer to my house in Tucson. That's why I won't go to Penasco through Nogales way you suggested
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/03/12/border-patrol-agents-make-third-largest-pot-seizure/70236172/
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2015/03/12/border-patrol-agents-make-third-largest-pot-seizure/70236172/
http://noticias.terra.com.mx/mexico/estados/asesinan-a-jefe-policiaco-en-sonoyta,ca37bda6ce92ca798bbbd293324baccclc9vRCRD.html. He had an escalade...nice car on $250 dollars a week salary
6 dead this week in Sonoyta and the banner the Salazar's put out named names including politicians and police helping Los Memos.http://www.elsoldecaborca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13944:amenazan-al-juanillo-en-narcomanta-el-sabado-y-el-domingo-lo-matan-en-sonoyta&catid=30:sonora&Itemid=80
Heard state police were stopping vehicles for going over 50 mph on the way down to PP in force have not seen that in awhile
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90 kph is 55 mph so I don't know why you would be stopped going 50. If true this is another nail in the coffin for RP tourism. Good example of biting the hand that feeds you.
They're hiding behind the "No Hassle" signs
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HILL BOY said:Heard state police were stopping vehicles for going over 50 mph on the way down to PP in force have not seen that in awhile
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"You Heard" Do you know anybody this has happen to ?
Came from Boo Bar
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http://www.elsoldecaborca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14244:aseguran-un-vehiculo-robado-en-sonoyta-pesp-lo-encuentra-abandonado&catid=4:sonoyta&Itemid=3 like Christmas in July for a lucky Tucson guy
jerry said:http://www.elsoldecaborca.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14244:aseguran-un-vehiculo-robado-en-sonoyta-pesp-lo-encuentra-abandonado&catid=4:sonoyta&Itemid=3 like Christmas in July for a lucky Tucson guy
Do you think they will give the Tucsonian his truck back?
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SONOYTA NUMERO UNO! The municipalities of Plutarco Elias Calles(SONOYTA)
and Ciudad Obregon have in the last two years with the highest rates of intentional homicides per 100 thousand inhabitants in Sonora, said Ernesto Munro Palacio, Secretary of Public Security.
According to figures from the Ministry of Public Security, in so far this year in the town of Plutarco Elias Calles had joined 47 intentional homicides in a city of just 15 000 652 inhabitants which gives an average of 300.3 people killed by each 100 000 inhabitants, which is the highest statistics in Sonora.
"Municipalities with more homicides in the last two years are Plutarco Elias Calles and Ciudad Obregon, according to the formula per 100 thousand inhabitants, this is how the killings were measured, and also Ciudad Obregon," he explained.
In the case of Ciudad Obregon in this year they will total 79 intentional homicides, and the city has approximately 409 000 310 citizens which gives a total of 19.3 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.
In the case of the municipality of Plutarco Elias Calles the main feature of why so many homicides are given is to be border and stay in an area that belongs largely to Pápagos that have a land bank that they oversee.
"That the US authorities monitored, partly say that region, and is an ideal place for traffickers of drugs, weapons and money instead.
"This region allows certain facilities for those engaged in illicit Mexico side issues" reported.
To this is added the competition of criminal groups engaged in drug trafficking and people and another point that adds Munro Palacio installation is the only control on the Rio Altar.
"With the installation of the Unified Command was made a migration of groups operating in the Altar River in Saric and Tubutama, and moved towards the border of Plutarco Elias Calles, that is the reason why that situation exists," he added .
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and Ciudad Obregon have in the last two years with the highest rates of intentional homicides per 100 thousand inhabitants in Sonora, said Ernesto Munro Palacio, Secretary of Public Security.
According to figures from the Ministry of Public Security, in so far this year in the town of Plutarco Elias Calles had joined 47 intentional homicides in a city of just 15 000 652 inhabitants which gives an average of 300.3 people killed by each 100 000 inhabitants, which is the highest statistics in Sonora.
"Municipalities with more homicides in the last two years are Plutarco Elias Calles and Ciudad Obregon, according to the formula per 100 thousand inhabitants, this is how the killings were measured, and also Ciudad Obregon," he explained.
In the case of Ciudad Obregon in this year they will total 79 intentional homicides, and the city has approximately 409 000 310 citizens which gives a total of 19.3 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.
In the case of the municipality of Plutarco Elias Calles the main feature of why so many homicides are given is to be border and stay in an area that belongs largely to Pápagos that have a land bank that they oversee.
"That the US authorities monitored, partly say that region, and is an ideal place for traffickers of drugs, weapons and money instead.
"This region allows certain facilities for those engaged in illicit Mexico side issues" reported.
To this is added the competition of criminal groups engaged in drug trafficking and people and another point that adds Munro Palacio installation is the only control on the Rio Altar.
"With the installation of the Unified Command was made a migration of groups operating in the Altar River in Saric and Tubutama, and moved towards the border of Plutarco Elias Calles, that is the reason why that situation exists," he added .
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If there is anyone still left out there who thinks that this is only Mexico's problem, perhaps they should think again.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2015/08/dea-mexican-cartel-influence-in-us-2015.html#more
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2015/08/dea-mexican-cartel-influence-in-us-2015.html#more
It is Mexico's problem...just spilled over our border....Portugal has shown the answer
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It would be interesting to see how the turf brokers in the U.S. and law enforcement dynasties would react to it being legalized. Some day perhaps.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=533&issue_id=32005
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=533&issue_id=32005
JimMcG said:It would be interesting to see how the turf brokers in the U.S. and law enforcement dynasties would react to it being legalized. Some day perhaps.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=533&issue_id=32005
Prolly nothing will change except the product offered for sale. An established marketing network has real value. Just like all the big merchandisers, gotta offer what you can sell. That and new drugs are coming around with some regularity, and most are legal till they get identified and put on prohibited lists.
Another perspective on the drug war is that it has been a total waste of lives, money and resources, having produced political instability and general chaos in Mexico, and has actually gotten worse after all this time.
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/truth-mexicos-drug-war/
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/truth-mexicos-drug-war/
JimMcG said:Another perspective on the drug war is that it has been a total waste of lives, money and resources, having produced political instability and general chaos in Mexico, and has actually gotten worse after all this time.
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/truth-mexicos-drug-war/
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Its findings were hardly controversial: drug use and abuse is a public health problem, not a criminal problem; ending the worldwide drug war would be the beginning of the end of drug-related violence, which undermines development and wastes billions of dollar annually; and putting governments back in control by regulating and controlling drug sales like alcohol and tobacco is the only sensible, pragmatic solution.
And yet the body count continues to rise in Mexico, and the prisons continue to fill in America.
- See more at: http://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/truth-mexicos-drug-war/#sthash.8iGulsGz.dpuf
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jerry said:It is Mexico's problem...just spilled over our border....Portugal has shown the answer
I'm curious as to what Portugal has done that the USA could do as well?
After watching the Whitey Bulger story, I don't think there's any difference between what's happening in Mexico and the US.
Arizona2010 said:I'm curious as to what Portugal has done that the USA could do as well?
With due respect, US could do a lot of things. The issue is, they won't.
FRONTER@ SONOYT@......ESTE DELINCUENTE ASESINO DEL QUE NO TENEMOS EL ROSTRO COMPLETO,ES EL MENTADO BETO NIEBLAS HIJO DEL NARCO CRIMINAL ADELMO NIEBLAS (el memo).....ESTAS RATAS Y SUS PORQUERÍAS DE ANIMALES QUE TRAE DE PISTOLEROS JUNTO CON LOS MENTADOS TERRONES ,SE PASEAN EN SUS CAMIONETAS ARMADOS CON FUSILES DE ALTO CALIBRE Y RADIOS DE FRECUENCIA,POR TODA NUESTRA COMUNIDAD DE SONOYTA Y NO SE DIGA DE NUESTRO VALLE,QUE ES PROPIEDAD PRIVADA DE ESTOS CRIMINALES....SIN QUE NINGUNA AUTORIDAD LOS MOLE$$TE....ES COMÚN VERLOS EN LOS COMERCIOS COMPRANDO GRANDES CANTIDADES DE VÍVERES,CON SUS RADIOS A LA CINTURA COMO AMOS Y SEÑORES,NO SE DIGA EN LA PARTE QUE SE LLAMA EL MIRADOR,QUE YA LA HAN HECHO DE SU PROPIEDAD ESTAS LACRAS,MÚSICA CON ALTO VOLUMEN,ARMADOS Y BORRACHOS,SE HAN ADUEÑADO DE UNO DE LOS POCOS ESPACIOS RECREATIVOS Y FAMILIARES DE NUESTRA COMUNIDAD,CON LA COMPLACENCIA DE LAS DISQUE AUTORIDADES....NOS HA TOCADO A NOSOTROS EN FRONTER@ SONOYT@....TOPARNOSLOS CARA A CARA Y LA SEGURIDAD Y PREPOTENCIA CON QUE SE MANEJAN EN NUESTRA COMUNIDAD ESTOS ANIMALES,SOLO SE PUEDE ENTENDER DE UN MODO,....NUESTRA SEGURIDAD SIGUE EN MANOS DE ESTAS LACRAS EN COMPLICIDAD CON LOS 3 ORDENES DE GOBIERNO Y LOS CALLADITOS Y BUITRES DISQUE PERIODISTAS DE NUESTRA COMUNIDAD......NOSOTROS NO NOS VENDEMOS NI LES TEMEMOS RATAS.....FRONTER@ SONOYT@....
Fronter @ Sonoyt@......Este Assassin of which we do not have a full face, is the so-called beto mists son of narco criminal adelmo mists (the memo)..... These rats and their junk of animals that brings together with the gunmen lishment lumps, walk in their vans armed with high-caliber rifles and frequency radios, throughout our community of sonoyta and it cannot be said of our valley, which is owned Deprived of these criminals.... Without any authority the mole$$te.... It is common to see them in the shops buying large amounts of food, with their radios to the waist like Amos and gentlemen, it is not stated in the party which is called the mirador, which already have made his property these ills, music with high volume , armed and drunkards, have taken ownership of one of the few recreational spaces and family members of our community, with the complacency of the disque authorities.... We have touched us in fronter @ SONOYT@....TOPARNOSLOS face to face and security and arrogance with which they handle in our community these animals, it can only be understood in a way,.... Our security remains in the hands of these ills in complicity with the 3 orders from government and the quiet and vultures disque journalists from our community...... We don't sell or fear them rats..... Fronter @ SONOYT@....
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Fronter @ Sonoyt@......Este Assassin of which we do not have a full face, is the so-called beto mists son of narco criminal adelmo mists (the memo)..... These rats and their junk of animals that brings together with the gunmen lishment lumps, walk in their vans armed with high-caliber rifles and frequency radios, throughout our community of sonoyta and it cannot be said of our valley, which is owned Deprived of these criminals.... Without any authority the mole$$te.... It is common to see them in the shops buying large amounts of food, with their radios to the waist like Amos and gentlemen, it is not stated in the party which is called the mirador, which already have made his property these ills, music with high volume , armed and drunkards, have taken ownership of one of the few recreational spaces and family members of our community, with the complacency of the disque authorities.... We have touched us in fronter @ SONOYT@....TOPARNOSLOS face to face and security and arrogance with which they handle in our community these animals, it can only be understood in a way,.... Our security remains in the hands of these ills in complicity with the 3 orders from government and the quiet and vultures disque journalists from our community...... We don't sell or fear them rats..... Fronter @ SONOYT@....
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Arizona2010 said:I'm curious as to what Portugal has done that the USA could do as well?
Portugal decriminalized all drugs and now is almost a drug free country and it is not the first or only country to see the changes after DOING something about it rather that cheat us ALL with the WAR ON DRUGS, be better if you read it or search it by yourself that way you won't be thinking that someone is feeding you crab that is happening outside of the USA territory that obviously WE THE PEOPLE are not put up to date by our government DEM or REP. follow the link or find yourself others to verify the info http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.oFeOxu9Wk
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in regards to cartels in Sonoyta is no different that the gangs in Tucson, Nashville or Main, the only difference if how they are spelt!!! wake up people there is more heinous crimes in USA than the rest of the world, there are even detailed shows to teach our young minds how to get started!!! get rid of your cell phones and TVs and get together with your kids and family more often, I assure it will make a difference in everybody lives!!!!
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= "InkaRoads said:in regards to cartels in Sonoyta That is not the different gangs in Tucson, Nashville or Main, the only difference if spelled How They Are !!! wake up people there is more heinous crimes in the USA than the rest of the world, there are even detailed shows to teach our young minds how to get started !!! get rid of your cell phones and TVs and get Together with your kids and family More Often, I Assure it will make a difference in everybody lives !!!! [/ QUOTE]
The difference is the drug cartels now control Sonoyta......the town is a shell of what it was 15 years ago....
InkaRoads said:Portugal decriminalized all drugs and now is almost a drug free country and it is not the first or only country to see the changes after DOING something about it rather that cheat us ALL with the WAR ON DRUGS, be better if you read it or search it by yourself that way you won't be thinking that someone is feeding you crab that is happening outside of the USA territory that obviously WE THE PEOPLE are not put up to date by our government DEM or REP. follow the link or find yourself others to verify the info http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.oFeOxu9Wk
This is patently untrue. Although violence may have decreased in Portugal a very short research detailed how there are more users in Portugal now than before drugs were decriminalized.
I am an advotcate of legalizing drugs but have no doubt that use, addiction and the social ills associated with drug use will increase.
This week I met with the Child Crisis Nursery in Phoenix and they state that a large majority of the abused and neglected kids in their care are due to drug using parents. This situation burns me and makes me consider the terrible consequences that the abuse of drugs causes. This may be one unintended consequence that would increase with the legalization of drugs.
The libertarian in me wants to legalize everything but I wonder if people are responsible enough to deal with that freedom. If you ask the people who run our social service agencies their answer would most likely be no.
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Jerry, you said "The difference is the drug cartels now control Sonoyta......the town is a shell of what it was 15 years ago...." We drive through Sonoyta, eating at our favorite taqueria, every other week. Whether or not your statement is true, how is Sonoyta any different than Caborca?
dirtsurfer said:This is patently untrue. Although violence may have decreased in Portugal a very short research detailed how there are more users in Portugal now than before drugs were decriminalized.
I am an advotcate of legalizing drugs but have no doubt that use, addiction and the social ills associated with drug use will increase.
This week I met with the Child Crisis Nursery in Phoenix and they state that a large majority of the abused and neglected kids in their care are due to drug using parents. This situation burns me and makes me consider the terrible consequences that the abuse of drugs causes. This may be one unintended consequence that would increase with the legalization of drugs.
The libertarian in me wants to legalize everything but I wonder if people are responsible enough to deal with that freedom. If you ask the people who run our social service agencies their answer would most likely be no.
How heartbreaking, kudos to you for being involved. The sad thing is these kinds of people do it illegally and more than likely legally it would just hopefully take a little amount of violence down due to turf wars and other issues that the cartels have the power since they have what unfortunately Americans (and people from every country) continue to buy. Maybe tax money from taxing the usually non dangerous marijuana could go towards programs to help the people that are prone to addiction (sad disease) get medical care and counseling, scholarships to school if they can test negative, help with daycare for those that work and continue to test negative, Trying to prevent as many people from going that road of desperation and strengthen and empower the families with education and hope not a handout but help (not in the form of money but incentives to Better their situation and make a better living eventually) to those that would usually not get it. Sadly the innocent kids suffer from the selfish people who either way (help offered or not, legal or not) don't care to help themselves :-( There is no perfect answer to this out of control situation that continues to plague both of our wonderful countries. And I didn't say wonderful governments , but yes wonderful countries with many wonderful citizens and beautiful scenery and for now more freedom than a lot of countries. Anyone that gives any sort of hand to any good organization that tries to help with the victims involved does make a difference!
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MIRAMAR said:Jerry, you said "The difference is the drug cartels now control Sonoyta......the town is a shell of what it was 15 years ago...." We drive through Sonoyta, eating at our favorite taqueria, every other week. Whether or not your statement is true, how is Sonoyta any different than Caborca?
They don't even have a bank any more.Try doing business in a town without a bank.The population has dropped 25% in 10 years.The schools are underfunded,they don't even have band instruments for the band....Caborca has grown,the farms,mines and ranches all are doing ok but it is a struggle.
BeachyKeen said:How heartbreaking, kudos to you for being involved. The sad thing is these kinds of people do it illegally and more than likely legally it would just hopefully take a little amount of violence down due to turf wars and other issues that the cartels have the power since they have what unfortunately Americans (and people from every country) continue to buy. Maybe tax money from taxing the usually non dangerous marijuana could go towards programs to help the people that are prone to addiction (sad disease) get medical care and counseling, scholarships to school if they can test negative, help with daycare for those that work and continue to test negative, Trying to prevent as many people from going that road of desperation and strengthen and empower the families with education and hope not a handout but help (not in the form of money but incentives to Better their situation and make a better living eventually) to those that would usually not get it. Sadly the innocent kids suffer from the selfish people who either way (help offered or not, legal or not) don't care to help themselves :-( There is no perfect answer to this out of control situation that continues to plague both of our wonderful countries. And I didn't say wonderful governments , but yes wonderful countries with many wonderful citizens and beautiful scenery and for now more freedom than a lot of countries. Anyone that gives any sort of hand to any good organization that tries to help with the victims involved does make a difference!
So he is cool with everyone owning a machine gun but not make a choice about taking drugs.,hmmm....bottom line the prison industrial complex is Arizona's main employer and alcohol is worse than all of them..
jerry said:So he is cool with everyone owning a machine gun but not make a choice about taking drugs.,hmmm....bottom line the prison industrial complex is Arizona's main employer and alcohol is worse than all of them..
J: you have to know that the AR-15's in my collection have no daily impact on anyone. If I am messed up on drugs or alcohol on a regular basis how can I make rational decisions about the welfare of my kids? I agree with you about alcohol but is the reason because it is so readily available and accepted in our society? I wonder. Growing up with an angry, violent alcoholic father had me wishing he had no access.
Like I stated before, the Libertarian in me wants to legalize all drugs but I wonder if society can handle this. I look at heavy users of any mind altering substance as a "weeding of the chaff", the problem is the collateral damage caused by the decisions of users.
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dirtsurfer said:J: you have to know that the AR-15's in my collection have no daily impact on anyone. If I am messed up on drugs or alcohol on a regular basis how can I make rational decisions about the welfare of my kids? I agree with you about alcohol but is the reason because it is so readily available and accepted in our society? I wonder. Growing up with an angry, violent alcoholic father had me wishing he had no access.
Like I stated before, the Libertarian in me wants to legalize all drugs but I wonder if society can handle this. I look at heavy users of any mind altering substance as a "weeding of the chaff", the problem is the collateral damage caused by the decisions of users.
Well stated but they fact I am forced to own a gun now because of the narco trafficking near my ranch makes me sick....If drugs were legal that dynamic would change here and in Mexico where more people have died because of drug violence in the last three years than in Iraq
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Legalize, tax the hell out of it and use the tax revenue for treatment and education, I guess.
This makes me wonder where the mass quantities of tax dollars from alcohol and cigarettes raised over the years has gone.
This makes me wonder where the mass quantities of tax dollars from alcohol and cigarettes raised over the years has gone.
dirtsurfer said:Legalize, tax the hell out of it and use the tax revenue for treatment and education, I guess
I agree, but only legalize weed and then put major increased penalties for the rest of the street drugs. Then rewrite the DUI laws, drugs and alcohol, to the point where nobody in their right mind will be tempted to do it.
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The horrible reality of street drugs. We must do everything possible to minimize the usage. This kid paints a picture most people could never imagine even in their worst nightmare. Then multiply the suffering 10 times and you will be close. I know the truth because if you substitute my younger daughter for the article's author you will have us.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-murray/2015/03/this-is-what-it-feels-like-to-be-an-addicts-sister/
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-murray/2015/03/this-is-what-it-feels-like-to-be-an-addicts-sister/