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This doesn't help tourism!

Started by lobonegro · May 8, 2022 · 142 replies
lobonegro
A short rant about my real estate nightmare.

My family has been coming to mexico for years, renting vrbos on beaches from encanto to miramar. all wonderful trips. 2 years ago, we took our retirement savings and jumped at the chance to chase a long time dream to buy a beachfront property. Using an experienced local realtor, we made an offer on a beachfront home that needed some TLC to bring it back to its former glory. Our realtor used an experienced real estate attorney to close the sale... Everything was completed as required by current Mexico law, specifically the transaction included each of the following components

Trustee Bank
Fideicomiso
Escritura
Public Registry number:
Special Trustee Representative:
Fideicomiso Beneficiary:

These are all notarized, stamped, recorded and filed.

a few weeks after completing the sale, a local contractor that I know began some plumbing and roofing repairs. He called to say he was being blocked out on the main road at a guard shack by a local person. This is when I first heard of Omar Saenz. In addition to blocking me, my contractor, and our realtor, He gathered any signs our realtor had on other properties and threw them out in the desert. Assuming this must be a simple misunderstanding, I reached out to our realtor to clear it up. A few days later, I received a call from Omar asking to meet. I live northeast of Tucson. We agreed to meet in Benson Az. At this meeting, Omar and his brother informed me and my wife that if we wanted access to our property, he would sell it to us for $100,000 us dollars. Confused, we explained we had just bought it and that our bank trust has the title, we are the beneficiaries through our LLC, to which he stated that he owns the entire beach, and no sales are valid unless he approves them.
Walking away from this meeting confused, thinking either we were duped in the sale or trying to be duped by Omar. I hired a separate attorney to independently review the entire history of the property and deed. After several thousands of dollars, all records confirmed that everything was done correctly. This was in the summer/fall of 2019. These findings were taken to city hall and the administration at the time, declined to intervene to help me access my property. My materials disappeared from the home and no work could proceed as we are still physically being blocked from accessing the property. Now Omar is head of the tourism department in RP
I have come to discover that there are many active lawsuits against Omar Saenz for similar behavior... All slowly dragging along through the courts.
Approx 2 weeks ago, Omar saenz demolished my house to the ground! completely destroyed. My retirement savings hauled away in a dump truck. And to find out that the new mayor appointed this guy as head of tourism?!! Seems too ridiculous to believe. It's beyond brazen...I know quite a few people that were looking at property/ condos and houses in rocky point. My experience has them all putting this on hold. My friends and I take a lot of hard earned dollars to the restaurants and shops and tradesmen of rocky point, and its the citizens of RP that lose out when the city lets things like this go unanswered.

Maybe someone has some advice...thoughts...can commiserate.
Otherwise, thanks for giving me a few minutes to vent
Jungle Jim
Some guy named Federico sold me two hundred dollars worth of rotten shrimp a few years ago.

Didn't realize that our good "buddy" screwed us until got back home to vac pak them.

Who ya gonna call??

Buenas Suerte es Mehico!

JJ
playaperro
Unfortunately playa dorado has been under a title dispute for many years and should of been disclosed to you before you bought, only recourse would be to go after Real Estate agent and his company for damages.
Search North Beach and maybe some other people that lost money out there will chime in.
JJ just an ass looking for attention on here.
dirtsurfer
lobonegro said:

A short rant about my real estate nightmare.

My family has been coming to mexico for years, renting vrbos on beaches from encanto to miramar. all wonderful trips. 2 years ago, we took our retirement savings and jumped at the chance to chase a long time dream to buy a beachfront property. Using an experienced local realtor, we made an offer on a beachfront home that needed some TLC to bring it back to its former glory. Our realtor used an experienced real estate attorney to close the sale... Everything was completed as required by current Mexico law, specifically the transaction included each of the following components

Trustee Bank
Fideicomiso
Escritura
Public Registry number:
Special Trustee Representative:
Fideicomiso Beneficiary:

These are all notarized, stamped, recorded and filed.

a few weeks after completing the sale, a local contractor that I know began some plumbing and roofing repairs. He called to say he was being blocked out on the main road at a guard shack by a local person. This is when I first heard of Omar Saenz. In addition to blocking me, my contractor, and our realtor, He gathered any signs our realtor had on other properties and threw them out in the desert. Assuming this must be a simple misunderstanding, I reached out to our realtor to clear it up. A few days later, I received a call from Omar asking to meet. I live northeast of Tucson. We agreed to meet in Benson Az. At this meeting, Omar and his brother informed me and my wife that if we wanted access to our property, he would sell it to us for $100,000 us dollars. Confused, we explained we had just bought it and that our bank trust has the title, we are the beneficiaries through our LLC, to which he stated that he owns the entire beach, and no sales are valid unless he approves them.
Walking away from this meeting confused, thinking either we were duped in the sale or trying to be duped by Omar. I hired a separate attorney to independently review the entire history of the property and deed. After several thousands of dollars, all records confirmed that everything was done correctly. This was in the summer/fall of 2019. These findings were taken to city hall and the administration at the time, declined to intervene to help me access my property. My materials disappeared from the home and no work could proceed as we are still physically being blocked from accessing the property. Now Omar is head of the tourism department in RP
I have come to discover that there are many active lawsuits against Omar Saenz for similar behavior... All slowly dragging along through the courts.
Approx 2 weeks ago, Omar saenz demolished my house to the ground! completely destroyed. My retirement savings hauled away in a dump truck. And to find out that the new mayor appointed this guy as head of tourism?!! Seems too ridiculous to believe. It's beyond brazen...I know quite a few people that were looking at property/ condos and houses in rocky point. My experience has them all putting this on hold. My friends and I take a lot of hard earned dollars to the restaurants and shops and tradesmen of rocky point, and its the citizens of RP that lose out when the city lets things like this go unanswered.

Maybe someone has some advice...thoughts...can commiserate.
Otherwise, thanks for giving me a few minutes to vent

I would go after the Real estate Agent and anyone else involved in the transaction-immediately.
Bob Oso
Man, I hate to hear stories like this. I agree with going after the real estate agent. But what I wouldn't do, is file or began any proceedings in RP. I think I'd probably start looking for representation out of Hermosillo, maybe even Guaymas. Probably be a good idea to keep any more mentioning of this on the D.L. until you have a better idea where it's going.
Idyllwild
I know a dual citizen with a less severe but similar problem involving unimproved land in another development. He decided that getting an attorney out of San Luis Rio Colorado might move him forward, but a local attorney wasn’t a good plan.
fatboyharley
you mightconsider calling Randall Lindsey of Torres Lindsey PLC. Lincensed in US and Mexico Located in Scottsdale Offices in Monterry Mexico city guadalajara and Phoenix Not cheap but good. 480 940 6101
playaperro
There’s a place on Fremont where you pay your bank trust due’s, they are knowledgeable and can look up any bank trust paper work and can assist you getting the right lawyer to go before the system.
They have the information that goes back before Omar winning the beach case.
If you got ripped they will help unlike before.
Idyllwild
playaperro said:

There’s a place on Fremont where you pay your bank trust due’s, they are knowledgeable and can look up any bank trust paper work and can assist you getting the right lawyer to go before the system.
They have the information that goes back before Omar winning the beach case.
If you got ripped they will help unlike before.

It’s upstairs in the building immediately adjacent to Chef Mickey’s.
rplarry
lobonegro said:

A short rant about my real estate nightmare.

My family has been coming to mexico for years, renting vrbos on beaches from encanto to miramar. all wonderful trips. 2 years ago, we took our retirement savings and jumped at the chance to chase a long time dream to buy a beachfront property. Using an experienced local realtor, we made an offer on a beachfront home that needed some TLC to bring it back to its former glory. Our realtor used an experienced real estate attorney to close the sale... Everything was completed as required by current Mexico law, specifically the transaction included each of the following components

Trustee Bank
Fideicomiso
Escritura
Public Registry number:
Special Trustee Representative:
Fideicomiso Beneficiary:

These are all notarized, stamped, recorded and filed.

a few weeks after completing the sale, a local contractor that I know began some plumbing and roofing repairs. He called to say he was being blocked out on the main road at a guard shack by a local person. This is when I first heard of Omar Saenz. In addition to blocking me, my contractor, and our realtor, He gathered any signs our realtor had on other properties and threw them out in the desert. Assuming this must be a simple misunderstanding, I reached out to our realtor to clear it up. A few days later, I received a call from Omar asking to meet. I live northeast of Tucson. We agreed to meet in Benson Az. At this meeting, Omar and his brother informed me and my wife that if we wanted access to our property, he would sell it to us for $100,000 us dollars. Confused, we explained we had just bought it and that our bank trust has the title, we are the beneficiaries through our LLC, to which he stated that he owns the entire beach, and no sales are valid unless he approves them.
Walking away from this meeting confused, thinking either we were duped in the sale or trying to be duped by Omar. I hired a separate attorney to independently review the entire history of the property and deed. After several thousands of dollars, all records confirmed that everything was done correctly. This was in the summer/fall of 2019. These findings were taken to city hall and the administration at the time, declined to intervene to help me access my property. My materials disappeared from the home and no work could proceed as we are still physically being blocked from accessing the property. Now Omar is head of the tourism department in RP
I have come to discover that there are many active lawsuits against Omar Saenz for similar behavior... All slowly dragging along through the courts.
Approx 2 weeks ago, Omar saenz demolished my house to the ground! completely destroyed. My retirement savings hauled away in a dump truck. And to find out that the new mayor appointed this guy as head of tourism?!! Seems too ridiculous to believe. It's beyond brazen...I know quite a few people that were looking at property/ condos and houses in rocky point. My experience has them all putting this on hold. My friends and I take a lot of hard earned dollars to the restaurants and shops and tradesmen of rocky point, and its the citizens of RP that lose out when the city lets things like this go unanswered.

Maybe someone has some advice...thoughts...can commiserate.
Otherwise, thanks for giving me a few minutes to vent


In the “general” section on the forum, there is a subject line of “Tijuana flights”. That Omar dude is interviewed in the video by the podcast host, as he gets off the first flight from Tijuana.

Feel bad for your plight. I know many of people who have had these experiences and they absolutely loved the beach, loved Rocky Point, loved the people , and they built up a distain that doesn’t allow them to ever come back.
Old55
dirtsurfer said:

I would go after the Real estate Agent and anyone else involved in the transaction-immediately.

Yep, everyone new about North Beach /Dorado…everyone….
Last edited: May 11, 2022 at 7:31 AM
Old55
perro
playaperro said:

There’s a place on Fremont where you pay your bank trust due’s, they are knowledgeable and can look up any bank trust paper work and can assist you getting the right lawyer to go before the system.
They have the information that goes back before Omar winning the beach case.
If you got ripped they will help unlike before.

Hey. brother! You warned people off this shit show 14 years ago…wonder wher the Martins are now? Perro lays it out :
“i remember pulling in to Penasco about 10 years ago and Omar Saenz was handing out fliers with it saying North Beach was No Beach. He hired kids to hand them out, North Beach was owned by a
ranching family, They did not care about the beach because of the salt water. To make a long story short. The martins scamed the owners took their land but they did not own the beach.
They sold the beach that they did not own to other scamers and the pyramid started. The Martins
are in spain. Just my 2 cents.”
Last edited: May 11, 2022 at 7:32 AM
Old55
From RockyPoint Exposed …2008 “
My wife and I are residents of Playa Dorada,
Playa Dorada was the first attempt by the Grijalva's to develop their property dating back to 1991. Many Americans signed lease contracts with the Grijalvas' with the promise that the lease contracts would be converted to Bank Trusts.Their agents, Mr. Paco Meza or Omar Saenz contracted and built houses along the beachfront for the Americans. Things were beautiful until North Beach (Juan Luis Martin Reyes) arrived on the scene. To set some facts straight, the Grijalva's are the owners of the property. They entered into a contract with Juan Luis Martin to create the company Playa Norte. The Grijalvas used their property as their investment in the company and became the 51% major shareholders and the primary signers for the company, The property was placed in Trust with Bancrecer, with the Grijava's being the primary signers. Mr. Martin held 49% in the agreement and his obligations were clear. #1. Deposit several million dollars in the Trust account to be used for installation of infrastructure.( The money has never been put into the account. There is no record of any deposit.) # 2. His obligation was for construction of the streets, installation of water, sewer and electricity (utilities), which do not exist. #3. It was also his obligation to acquire all the necessary licenses and permits from the State of Sonora and the City of Puerto Penasco for the Development. Needless to say there are no approved subdivision plans or permits in the North Beach Development with the exception of Las Gardinas. North Beach never had a license to sell property, only to develop. This can be verified by logging on to the website of Increson or the public registry in the State of Sonora. There is a list of developments and it shows the licenses and permits that were granted by the state. For all the people who have been the victims of fraud at North Beach, understand that the Grijalva's have been the victims of fraud as well, by the same person or people as you. They had no choice but to file litigation against their partner to protect their property and their investment. Their mistake was that they gave Juan Luis a power of attorney and dominion over the property and made him the CEO of Playa Norte. The rest is history as you know it. This is a very complicated situation because these people are sophisticated criminals who use the law to protect themselves while conducting illegal activities. As you know, this includes American developers and attorneys as well, who continue to try and convince unsuspecting American investor's that all is well, when we all know that it is not.
Idyllwild
The Arizona Daily Sun had an article referencing the Playa Dorado dispute in 2001.

https://azdailysun.com/u-s-mexico-scrutinize-land-sales-in-mexican-resort-community/article_3b0269b7-78ff-50a0-9fc3-81fb4536c5f2.html
lobonegro
Thank you everyone for your insights and recommendations, very much appreciated. Since the first roadblock (literally) to moving into this house, it has been disappointingly insightful to try and peel back the layers of bad history. . It is frustrating to double and triple check the bank trusts, deeds, titles, and all other notarized documents for the property, to then get blindsided by a landgrab / decades old dispute that seems like will never end. As a side note, Researching the beach case that the Saenz did win...our property was not part of any of the prior disputes or litigation, its in a section completely removed from the disputed property. Still loving mexico regardless (most days)
Old55
Omars brother responded after I reposted this on another forum….everyone wants to know who the “ real estatecprofessionals” were that didnt warn you away from this know minefield. “
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I am writing this on my behalf, as well as my brother’s Omar. I wish I had the space and time to answer all doubts and concerns but we would not get anywhere. First, You and I don’t know mexican laws to the depth of understanding them and give a fair opinion in here. Mostly, we gossip. Sometimes gossip needs facts to become a good and fair discussion.
We started working at Playa Dorada in 1992. The first 2 homes, were built by Obed Saenz in 1993, I alone, started building 4 homes in 1994 as a foreman for Omar Saenz, from the first 4 came others, including the set of 10 condo units in there. All built by the Saenz and Paco Meza, also a builder in Playa Dorada,
I can name house and owner, one by one.
That said, you can trust that I know some facts about the area.
Around 1998 the ownership of the land was being disputed. One side, the North Beach trust, which was established by Spanish investors and the Grijalva Brothers, they went to court against Omar Saenz. No American party had legally owned property at Playa Dorada at this time. ( be it on paper ) They all had a lease agreement. At this time, to be recognized as owners, the americans sued both parties, Omar and the North Beach Trust.
After some months of litigation, they all negotiated with North Beach and took the bank trust that it offered, and forgot about Omar Saenz. However, the court ruled in favor of Omar Saenz in 2005, stating that his title was genuine and his possession of the land gave him the rightful ownership. But due to the multiple options that the Mexican courts allow North Beach dragged the optional suits for another 12 years. After such time, To some homeowners disappointment, The Court stated, (I am not quoting) The North beach trust is a real trust with a different location, their property is behind the sand dune, from Luna Blanca, all the way to Los Portales, at Playa Encanto.
Such is the Supreme’s Court ruling, If anybody in this forum has read the ruling, feel welcome to challenge me, if not, please be courteous and deny me the right to call you ignorant.
DURING ALL THIS TIME, HOMES WERE BUILT AND LAND SOLD, OMAR WAS BANNED FROM THE PROPERTY AND MULTIPLE TIMES HE FACED JAIL TIME FOR FENCING HIS PROPERTY AND TRYING TO RECOVER IT.
In 2017, possession was finally granted to Omar Saenz, AND SINCE THEN, THE SIGN ON THE PICTURE HAS BEEN THERE. 5 years this coming 5th of July, with less than 5 americans approaching Omar Saenz to negotiate.
Now, back to Omar and Jerry Kelly. I don’t know mr Kelly, but I have an idea of who the original writer is. So, I will call him Mr. Ed.
Here is what he states and what I reason.
---Before Mr. Ed, came into the picture, I can assure you that the selling realtor was recommended not to be selling the property and many times I asked other realtors to leave, and they always kept on showing the property. THEY NEVER READ THE SIGN.
--- If Mr.Ed’s realtor was blocked from entering the property, that should have been a good reason not to buy,.
---The realtors signs were removed and placed at the gate, for the realtor to come and pick them, they were never taken into the desert like he states.
---When Mr. Ed mentions the meeting, he forgets to state that he was offered the property, not the passage, again, he did not read the sign.
---Mr. Ed adds he hired and Attorney and that the city administration did not want to act according to his findings. I guess he forgot that the Executive power is not above the Judicial power, and that the city legal department knows how to read a court ruling that states who owns the land.
---Mr. Ed implies that his construction materials were stolen, yet his materials never disappeared, they were removed by his contractor. I know him, and he is a decent person. I allowed him in to pick them up. We are working people not petty criminals.
---Being the city’s representative of local tourism does not take away Omar’s right to defend his property. The Lawsuit has been going on for the last 22 years, and every other derivative claim has been won by Omar, Again, If you have read the court rulings and can prove me wrong, feel free to challenge me.
Regarding Mr. Ed’s statement of other active proceedings going, I will kindly remind him, that such are of legal issues, not of behavioral nature. He chooses his words to keep on hammering the idea that my brother is doing this as a mad man. If I had him close enough I would gladly shout this to him:
HE IS NOT MAD, HE IS JUST RIGHT. Maybe Mr. Ed needs to read synonyms of such word:
Good, Correct, Well, Just, Proper, Appropriate, Straight, Okay, Fine, TRUE.
Also, if you are not happy in Mexico, because you believe we are too corrupted, why are you here? Why are you publishing on a facebook page made to promote and understand rocky point, opinions that denigrate our city and our country?
The publication ends by calling the mayor’s appointment a “ridiculous act”: “ beyond brazen”
Well, Ridiculous is to give an opinion not knowing any facts,
beyond brazen is to have a chorus of people acting the same.
And please, If we prove you wrong, be gentle enough to apologize and humble enough to recommend the same.

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Southbeacher
Yep, people have been buying, selling and building on Dorada all along, and recently. Apparently in this situation the realtor / buyer did not heed the giant, in-your-face sign at the entrance, shown above.
Old55
lobonegro said:

Thank you everyone for your insights and recommendations, very much appreciated. Since the first roadblock (literally) to moving into this house, it has been disappointingly insightful to try and peel back the layers of bad history. . It is frustrating to double and triple check the bank trusts, deeds, titles, and all other notarized documents for the property, to then get blindsided by a landgrab / decades old dispute that seems like will never end. As a side note, Researching the beach case that the Saenz did win...our property was not part of any of the prior disputes or litigation, its in a section completely removed from the disputed property. Still loving mexico regardless (most days)

Just wondering why that sign didnt give you pause?
playaperro
Lobo Negro
It’s just not right to burn Omar if you want to do things right you burn the real estate agent that is the person that brought all these problems. It’s been done on here before.
Be nice to get pic of house sometimes they just don’t fit in, first time I saw playa dorado I thought it was fascinating.
I would of worked something out with Omar personally.
Petrose
Contact Russ Black aka mexicoruss, but not online. See if he can offer you some advice as I'm sure he may have insight...
playaperro
Old55 said:

perro

Hey. brother! You warned people off this shit show 14 years ago…wonder wher the Martins are now? Perro lays it out :
“i remember pulling in to Penasco about 10 years ago and Omar Saenz was handing out fliers with it saying North Beach was No Beach. He hired kids to hand them out, North Beach was owned by a
ranching family, They did not care about the beach because of the salt water. To make a long story short. The martins scamed the owners took their land but they did not own the beach.
They sold the beach that they did not own to other scamers and the pyramid started. The Martins
are in spain. Just my 2 cents.”

Amigo ask Samuel who’s real estate signs he took down?
Apparently there was 3 other houses Real Estate agent was selling and this one was a fixer upper but the other houses were good and he surely doesn’t get that many listings without knowing, according to Samuel everyone that went out there knew and was warned.
Bob Oso
playaperro said:

Lobo Negro
It’s just not right to burn Omar if you want to do things right you burn the real estate agent that is the person that brought all these problems. It’s been done on here before.
Be nice to get pic of house sometimes they just don’t fit in, first time I saw playa dorado I thought it was fascinating.
I would of worked something out with Omar personally.


If it was just the real estate broker, that'd be one thing. But it seems this trust transfer has been processed through the standard maze of professional and state official, it's curious that none of them were questioning this purchase.

"It's just not right to burn Omar", Isn't Omar's brother that has been identified as the real estate agent? And working something out with him? According to the OP, it was $100k. And it sounds like the only thing that was going to be guaranteed was the OP would have $100k less.
lobonegro
Old55 said:

Just wondering why that sign didnt give you pause?


Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section
CheddarBob
Why were the real estate agents signs allowed to remain in place on all 3 properties. What are the chances the Lawyer and notario don't do a lot of business in Puerto Penasco. If they do they should be tarred and feathered or buried up to their necks in sand and let the buzzards have a feast. Sure gives an uneasy feeling owning in Puerto Penasco.
playaperro
lobonegro said:

Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section

Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.
lobonegro
Old55 said:

Omars brother responded after I reposted this on another forum….everyone wants to know who the “ real estatecprofessionals” were that didnt warn you away from this know minefield. “
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I am writing this on my behalf, as well as my brother’s Omar. I wish I had the space and time to answer all doubts and concerns but we would not get anywhere. First, You and I don’t know mexican laws to the depth of understanding them and give a fair opinion in here. Mostly, we gossip. Sometimes gossip needs facts to become a good and fair discussion.


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A couple things that need correcting….

as mentioned above, I didn’t go past the sign.

….you said if the realtor was blocked, that should be a reason not to buy. I clearly stated that there was no sign of any conflict, dispute or blocking access until several weeks after the sale was closed and remodeling had already started. So that statement does not apply

I never said you stole materials, only that they went missing. Not just materials, but some furniture, bbque and other items. No, I don’t think Omar wanted a used bbq grill and swiped it in the middle of the night. When a project sits dormant for 2 years, things grow legs and walk away…I worked construction for many years also. Im sure you can attest that this happens on unsecured job sites, which this definitely was. My point was being blocked from finishing the job didnt allow me to finish installing those materials

as for the realtor signs, I was repeating what I was told, so if it didn’t happen that way, then I apologize if it that was mischaracterized

the reason i posted this on rocky point talk was to seek insight from people. I related my experience as it happened to me. I love Mexico, doesn’t mean I have to pretend that there aren’t problems. It’s not my job to promote tourism, the city has a guy for that. I have a real estate issue and posted in a real estate sub forum hoping the collective wisdom here might be helpful…and it has been.


these admittedly gossipy details distract form the bigger picture and questions here.

When Omar arranged a meeting to offer to sell the property we just bought, you can imagine that was confusing since we had a valid bank trust and all the documents that Mexico states we need to own this property. with this proof of ownership in hand, a man I never heard of is offering to sell me that same land. To your point Samuel, that he was offering to sell the land, i said “ if we wanted access to our property, he would sell it to us for $100,000 “. I was meaning that he was selling the land, as well as stating that without purchasing this from him, there was no other way he would allow us access to the area…maybe semantics but buying the land would also grant access, they were connected.

after this meeting, I began to learn about these tittle disputes, and overlapping claims of ownership. It didn’t seem possible both Omar and the realtors could be right. Thats why I hired and independent attorney to find out where this had gone wrong and who was accountable, and how I might recoup some of my losses. He concluded that the sale was proper and was recognized by all the officials, banks, and everyone who signed off on this.

My gut told me that this would be a ridiculously long process to sort out, and years would be wasted. When I met with Omar, we left with the understanding that I needed time to look into what was going on and investigate if the sale was bogus and if I needed to go after the realty company And I would be back in touch. It took several months to look into all this to even have an idea of all that was in play. I reached out to Omar many times to work this out with him. I found a way to get financial help to be in a position to sit down with Omar and hopefully his 100,000 offer would resolve the issue once and for all, but He wouldn't return calls or emails. Why make an offer and then ghost me? Of course, during this time, my realtor and attorney where meeting with the city officials to present all their evidence of ownership. They are doing their job standing by a client to try to fix this mess.

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I have some sincere questions for you if you have insights into this: no one else seems to know.

That home is decades old, Omar wasn’t in possession of it and The sellers had no affiliation with the saenz that I’m aware of. Where the previous owners living on Omar’s property and Omars house and he didn’t mind until after I bought it? What am I missing? Why didn’t he take possession in 2017?

How do you view the bank trust and title that I have? Is it not valid? And if not, why? When I bought this property, what did I actually buy?

Since Omar is a proper and reasonable guy, why did he cut off all communication to try and resolve this….I’ve been open to that the entire time. I can think of lot better things both parties could spend money on rather than lawyer fees. This could have been resolved long ago.

I never said Omar is a mad man. I know he has his reasons…. I don’t think he is a crazy guy on a dozer crushing houses. His approach to this doesn’t make sense to me, as I see mutually beneficial solutions. I think he is being shortsighted, but I don’t know his reasons. I don’t know who cheated who decades ago, but it wasn’t me. Sounds like bad blood and grudges go deep in that part of town.
I do think it is brazen to tear down a house that is in dispute. Your definition of brazen is wrong. it means to do something in a bold and shocking way. I think it fits. It completely ignores all the valid government documents That exist.

I also stand by my opinion that there is a conflict of interest when Omar is part of the administration that is supposed to be helping resolve the issue in a fair manner. You don’t think there is any unfair influence and he should recuse himself in these situations? Of course he can support his interests, but wouldn’t it be proper to keep these interests seperate? There are many active lawsuits regarding access to homes, other properties in dispute, but this is from others on the beach that know the situation and have reached out to me to relate their experiences.…so, yes, Just gossip.

Samuel, your well thought out response is appreciated. Know that I am a regular, honest hard working man who was just trying to fulfill a lifelong dream and for over 2 years i have been trying to resolve this. Im not on facebook, but maybe you will see this here
joanC
Arizona Superior Court has previously accepted jurisdiction over law suits for damages ( in personam claims) involving Penasco real estate and parties resident in Arizona. This means you can sue and recover money, but the Az court cannot order a transfer or cancellation of a title or land ownership.
lobonegro
playaperro said:

Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.



That is not true. If that is what he is posting, that is a lie. I Have never met samuel. I met Omar and obed in benson arizona, and talked to him on the phone once before that. Samuel has never spoken to me. Never heard the name of any Saenz until weeks after the sale closed.
playaperro
lobonegro said:

That is not true. If that is what he is posting, that is a lie. I Have never met samuel. I met Omar and obed in benson arizona, and talked to him on the phone once before that. Samuel has never spoken to me. Never heard the name of any Saenz until weeks after the sale closed.

Sorry took a screenshot but the server won’t let me load.
I tried on conversation with you but won’t load.
Maybe some other people can load it.
lobonegro
playaperro said:

Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.


can you expound on this a bit....when I hired an independent attorney to look over this sale, I was trying to figure out who was right, mr saenz, or did my real estate company make serious errors and losses should be recuperated from them. i wanted an opinion from someone with no skin in the game. His conclusion was that the sale was legit and should be recognized. i don't believe he ever filed a suit or asked for prosecution. He presented his findings to the city and asked them to enforce our legal rights to have access to the property based on the records provided. The request was never acted on as far as I know. what flood gates were opened? this was almost 2 years ago when those requests were made, and i haven't heard a peep since. i've been trying to find other remedies ever since. I cant tell if the courts agree with me or not...nothing happens, it just gets kicked down the road.
lobonegro
joanC said:

Arizona Superior Court has previously accepted jurisdiction over law suits for damages ( in personam claims) involving Penasco real estate and parties resident in Arizona. This means you can sue and recover money, but the Az court cannot order a transfer or cancellation of a title or land ownership.

thank you, you've given me more to research tonight
Old55
playaperro said:

Amigo ask Samuel who’s real estate signs he took down?
Apparently there was 3 other houses Real Estate agent was selling and this one was a fixer upper but the other houses were good and he surely doesn’t get that many listings without knowing, according to Samuel everyone that went out there knew and was warned.

so that brings up a question.Does everyone change of ownership in Playa Dorado envolve a meeting with the buyer and Omar in Benson? Why not just approach the realtor in the first place and do this clean.I think all those sellers should clear the air. I sorta think there was a conspiracy of silence …Wow the boosters sure got hot at yours truely for trying to help by getting this out there.I really think you have to go after who gives you the best chance of getting your money back.400 plus comments .Most sympathetic to you.He really shouldnt have knocked it down.Bad for the towns image and he now is the face of Rocky Point tourism.I think he may want to end this if hes smart ( which he is) .Things may be looking up!
Old55
playaperro said:

Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.

“was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section” was that in writing ?
CheddarBob
Old55 said:

so that brings up a question.Does everyone change of ownership in Playa Dorado envolve a meeting with the buyer and Omar in Benson? Why not just approach the realtor in the first place and do this clean.I think all those sellers should clear the air. I sorta think there was a conspiracy of silence …Wow the boosters sure got hot at yours truely for trying to help by getting this out there.I really think you have to go after who gives you the best chance of getting your money back.400 plus comments .Most sympathetic to you.He really shouldnt have knocked it down.Bad for the towns image and he now is the face of Rocky Point tourism.I think he may want to end this if hes smart ( which he is) .Things may be looking up!

Just remember to bring a brown paper bag with a $100k in it.
Old55
CheddarBob said:

Just remember to bring a brown paper bag with a $100k in it.

Bob, doesn't that just screen legit businessman…I ask myself what the hell was wrong with Hawaii again every time I hear a deal like this, get a cartel gun pointed at me or get stoped by a crooked cop!
playaperro
Old55 said:

“was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section” was that in writing ?

Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.
Old55
playaperro said:

Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.

Perro, Samuel was way less pissed at me that that gaggle of realtor types ( maybe) ,air bnb owner types and a few stray knuckleheads ….to bad Roberto isnt still with us.He had all the dope on this deal.
CheddarBob
Old55 said:

Bob, doesn't that just screen legit businessman…I ask myself what the hell was wrong with Hawaii again every time I hear a deal like this, get a cartel gun pointed at me or get stoped by a crooked cop!

We were one day away from going live on MLS for both our properties this spring and pulled the plug at the eleventh hour. We now have some concerns regarding this decision. This of course was after spending the entire day reading the blog from 2008 and todays posts. What a shit show. When we bought I didn’t even consider that this could happen. I will be the first to say holy shit we were nieve and ripe for the pickings. Luck was on our side not so much for others.
lobonegro
playaperro said:

Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.


maybe he was meaning the realtor? maybe he will clarify. what facebook page is this on?
CheddarBob
lobonegro said:

maybe he was meaning the realtor? maybe he will clarify. what facebook page is this on?

Puerto Penasco fans and community
bonefishsoup
This whole thing is crazy! I was googling more stories and saw this post from october 2021....sounds like even if you buy the house and land for $100,000, he takes it back later whenever he wants??:oops:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/RockyPointTalk/posts/835702033780146/


the lady posted this:

My family has owned a beach front home in Playa Dorada in Puerto Penasco for over 20 years. Disputes about the ownership of other parts of the beach have resulted in the Mexican operated security not allowing us access to our house since May. Today I was told that Omar Saenz, who sold us our lot and we paid to build our home, has taken possession. Having a trust and American title insurance is failing to protect us. This is a travesty and it threatens all homeowners in Rocky Point.


edit.....she later posted this comment


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Author
That is not correct. Our home is not in the section that is threatened by the ownership dispute. Omar cannot claim he owns our land or house because he sold them directly to us.
Last edited: May 11, 2022 at 9:41 PM
CheddarBob
bonefishsoup said:

This whole this is crazy! I was googling more stories and saw this post from october 2021....sounds like even if you buy the house and land for $100,000, he takes it back later whenever he wants??:oops:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/RockyPointTalk/posts/835702033780146/


the lady posted this:

My family has owned a beach front home in Playa Dorada in Puerto Penasco for over 20 years. Disputes about the ownership of other parts of the beach have resulted in the Mexican operated security not allowing us access to our house since May. Today I was told that Omar Saenz, who sold us our lot and we paid to build our home, has taken possession. Having a trust and American title insurance is failing to protect us. This is a travesty and it threatens all homeowners in Rocky Point.
Last edited: May 11, 2022 at 9:12 PM
Jungle Jim
Just wait till they "NATIONALIZE" all of "YOUR" properties!

Too bad too sad. Try to find any of the old timers who "OWNED" properties in Cholla Bay or Rosarita Beach BC.

If they are still alive.

JJ
OurForever
Jungle Jim said:

Just wait till they "NATIONALIZE" all of "YOUR" properties!

Too bad too sad. Try to find any of the old timers who "OWNED" properties in Cholla Bay or Rosarita Beach BC.

If they are still alive.

JJ



Genuinely curious. Can you expand on this?
Old55
lobonegro said:

Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section
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Jungle Jim said:

Just wait till they "NATIONALIZE" all of "YOUR" properties!

Too bad too sad. Try to find any of the old timers who "OWNED" properties in Cholla Bay or Rosarita Beach BC.

If they are still alive.

JJ

As the Cartel war in the around San Luis will slowly creep south and the Caborca front moves north that and other problems will overwhelm us here by 2028 or so…..enjoy it while we fot it!
Old55
bonefishsoup said:

This whole thing is crazy! I was googling more stories and saw this post from october 2021....sounds like even if you buy the house and land for $100,000, he takes it back later whenever he wants??:oops:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/RockyPointTalk/posts/835702033780146/


the lady posted this:

My family has owned a beach front home in Playa Dorada in Puerto Penasco for over 20 years. Disputes about the ownership of other parts of the beach have resulted in the Mexican operated security not allowing us access to our house since May. Today I was told that Omar Saenz, who sold us our lot and we paid to build our home, has taken possession. Having a trust and American title insurance is failing to protect us. This is a travesty and it threatens all homeowners in Rocky Point.


edit.....she later posted this comment


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Author
That is not correct. Our home is not in the section that is threatened by the ownership dispute. Omar cannot claim he owns our land or house because he sold them directly to us.

Now up to 5 ! I think the seller and the Realtor group needs to give this guy his money back promto…they had to know this shit was blowing up
Old55
OurForever said:

Genuinely curious. Can you expand on this?

Rightwing fever dream…..he also thinks Biden is an alien….but the coming wave of problems with water,power,corruption and the cartel war should make everyone reconsider putting all their eggs in this basket
Old55
lobonegro said:

Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section

Not sure if you check your mail on here…Samuel the brother lost your number and wants you to call.
CheddarBob
Old55 said:

Not sure if you check your mail on here…Samuel the brother lost your number and wants you to call.

Old55 said:

Not sure if you check your mail on here…Samuel the brother lost your number and wants you to call.

Gotta love the power of social Media. Nice work olds55
ernesto
Who is the crooked realtor?
Southbeacher
CheddarBob said:

bonefishsoup said:
This whole this is crazy! I was googling more stories and saw this post from october 2021....sounds like even if you buy the house and land for $100,000, he takes it back later whenever he wants??:oops:


Rule of thumb in real estate, politics and life: It is good to know the whole, in-context story (of such posts, for example). Otherwise you might get hoodwinked.
Last edited: May 13, 2022 at 10:08 AM
Old55
CheddarBob said:

Gotta love the power of social Media. Nice work olds55

If I don't end up sleeping with the Oyster shells at the estuary this may work out !
playaperro
Sure hope it’s an American based company that has to cover under writer’s insurance for its agents and hopefully AMPI will toss this agent out.
Agent and sellers were in cohoots without a doubt.
Waiting for culprits to surface.
Bob Oso
CheddarBob said:

Gotta love the power of social Media. Nice work olds55


Ditto: well done Olds55

Kind of reminds me of what Roberto always used to pound on us of about real estate. "The check you're handing over in one hand, make sure you're getting the trust in the other hand". Guess that's what makes this one so disturbing.
ernesto
Grow a pair and name the realtor
lobonegro
ernesto said:

Grow a pair and name the realtor

Grow some patience. When I finally get to the entire truth and get this settled, I will share all the details of the whole saga as I think it will help others in the future. Maybe it can be the last dorada/north beach fiasco. I'm not hiding or shielding anyone....I just can't be sure I have all the details I need
Old55
lobonegro said:

Grow some patience. When I finally get to the entire truth and get this settled, I will share all the details of the whole saga as I think it will help others in the future. Maybe it can be the last dorada/north beach fiasco. I'm not hiding or shielding anyone....I just can't be sure I have all the details I need

Call Samuel …interesting that he wants to talk..
Old55
playaperro said:

Sure hope it’s an American based company that has to cover under writer’s insurance for its agents and hopefully AMPI will toss this agent out.
Agent and sellers were in cohoots without a doubt.
Waiting for culprits to surface.

Over 1000 people saw the story and as painful as it is for the owner he opened a lot of eyes. i I tried to point the finger of blame that way too Perro ….75-25 Agent and Seller fault…
playaperro
Good job, Playa Dorado is going to pick up a bit now that they know who has title.
Old55
playaperro said:

Good job, Playa Dorado is going to pick up a bit now that they know who has title.

But knocking his house down ( and it was nIce!) sure was bs …..what was with that? …
playaperro
Old55 said:

But knocking his house down ( and it was nIce!) sure was bs …..what was with that? …

The neighbor said it didn’t have a roof windows doors toilets.
Had been abandoned for 10 years.
You know HOA’s have bylaws or rules
Anyways you got pic’s?
Old55
playaperro said:

The neighbor said it didn’t have a roof windows doors toilets.
Had been abandoned for 10 years.
You know HOA’s have bylaws or rules
Anyways you got pic’s?

I think that is bull shit …seen photos…looked ok to me but this forum is so 1990s a text photo is too big….I can text it to you
playaperro
I believe a person using their real name backed up by another person saying the same You can post the pics on your Facebook for a bit. Till he surfaces with Rocky Point James real name I’m not buying.
Old55
playaperro said:

I believe a person using their real name backed up by another person saying the same You can post the pics on your Facebook for a bit. Till he surfaces with Rocky Point James real name I’m not buying.

Send me you phone # in the private message function…you should see them
playaperro
Ok I’m in las Conchas right now I will see if I can get an American phone.
playaperro
playaperro said:

Ok I’m in las Conchas right now I will see if I can get an American phone.

Thanks
Old55
playaperro said:

Thanks

No worries…I just posted one from above…on the fans site so you can see it ….the guy had already knocked the porches down ,began rewiring and plumbing and had all the roof coating stuff…..it looked ok inside…just had people in the picture so I didnt post it
playaperro
Sad to be living next to that in a beautiful beach area. The land without the house is worth more than the land with the house.
Don’t matter now it’s after the fact.
You know when O’farell came to town and did those bank trusts he left just as fast.
Old55
playaperro said:

Sad to be living next to that in a beautiful beach area. The land without the house is worth more than the land with the house.
Don’t matter now it’s after the fact.
You know when O’farell came to town and did those bank trusts he left just as fast.

Isnt he in Phoenix now? I just dont see what they got out of knocking it down and if you had seen some of the owner built shitboxes we stripped out and reimaged in Tucson this place could be reworked….no garage,porch all around,maybe some indoor space turned into a screen room. Those houses our tour guide buddy reworked in Cholla are a great example….everything doesnt have to be perfect…a Monet is ok…right now this one is a picasso!….hell after 15 years 90% of the people I have met in my life are sick of their vacation house anyways….a lead weight ..
Last edited: May 15, 2022 at 9:46 AM
playaperro
He can’t do anything to anyone now except Rocky Point agent, I have no clue why they plaster their mugs all over town so many of them it must work.
Well I’m done with this and I wish Ed the best with his venture.
lobonegro
I was reading through the responses on the facebook post. Some very insightful comments mixed with a few with poor reading comprehension.... this is long winded. Sorry in advance.

Samuel keeps repeating the same things and ignoring any other information and doesn’t answer any questions...
He wasn’t involved in any of this but knows of it though his briothers. I never knew he existed until I read his response….that's probably why he keeps getting details wrong. The following is the correct information

I explained that the main road wasn't the only way to the property and you can get to the house without going past the sign. Hopefully that explains how the sign wasn’t helpful to me.

He says I turned down omar's offer. Not true. The last thing said was I needed to do research into the whole mess and explore my options, and omar hasn't returned a call or message since. I’ve reached out to work out the details of his offer but he wouldn’t come to the table.

The house was not abandoned construction, rather it had fallen into disrepair as the prior owners couldn't keep it up and hadn't visited in some time. It has been lived in previously.

It definitely was a fixer upper. I was a general contractor in arizona for many years. it's bones were good. It would have been refurbished for $16,000 in repairs. I already had the work started and a property manager to help with rentals to help supplement the cost of the house before access was denied. How fancy the house is has nothing to do with this....Anyone giving this discussion more than a cursory glance will see this is deflecting from real questions I asked and haven't been answered.

I asked what makes my home purchase invalid when it was processed like every other house on the beach in accordance with local and state law.
his response is that the house was ugly anyway. I do have pictures of the house, as well as measurements of everything. But it doesn’t matter how it looked.

Of all the incorrect details from Samuel Saenz, the most important one is he keeps repeating that I was told before hand. NOT TRUE. this is the actual sequence of events,
I found the house listed online for sale.
I took myself down the beach to check it out. Went back too look it over a second time.
Then contacted a licensed realtor and made an offer....closed about a month later.
SQ advisors in rocky point was The closing agent
not a single hiccup until until my contractor called to say he wasn't allowed back to the property were work was already started, and the contractor (who is a great guy, ...we agree on that) obliged the Saenz wishes and didn't go back and things stood at a deadlock until a few weeks ago when the house was demolished. I had heard that months ago, the roof was demoed but never saw the house to confirm

I dont know what realtors, public officials, notaries were told....if he says he told them, I cant dispute that. But it is not true to say I was warned. Seriously? who would even spend a dime on a property in Mexico that was locked in a dispute? The allegation isn't even logical.

Mr Saenz, if you are the rightful owner of the property and have the documentation that proves it, it seems the logical thing to do would be to meet up and prove it, and educate me about how "Mr. Ed bought the trust that was defeated"--sam saenz
It was defeated how? If I was sold a trust that was defeated in court, then I have a slam dunk case against all those involved in the sale. should be easy to prove. If you could do that, I would turn my attention to finding other remedies for my loss. I am trying to get to the bottom of this issue and find the truth Wherever it lies.

If the sellers, their realtor, or others had been told by you not to sell this property, that is information I need. If you have more facts, please share them.

People have made the comment that this negativity about RP is not helpful. It seems This land issue has been unresolved for 30 years, and the city has ignored pleas for help finding a solution. It may have started as just a venting about an ongoing problem, but the people of RP were all very helpful in their suggestions and ideas. I think it demonstrated the good nature of the people here, so it actually is a positive reflection on the area.
Ive had a few people PM me who are curious about the house…Im trying to include pictures….too big for this site. As much as I avoid social media in my life, I’ll go over to Facebook to put up a few pics.
Last edited: May 16, 2022 at 12:51 AM
lobonegro
playaperro said:

The neighbor said it didn’t have a roof windows doors toilets.
Had been abandoned for 10 years.



that is not true. It had roof, windows and doors and toilets. granted, they were old. New custom windows and doorshad already been ordered and paid for. If you go down the beach in Miramar, you see several abandoned houses…at this very moment, several of them are being recoated in stucco and having all windows replaced.

“Sad to be living next to that in a beautiful beach area. The land without the house is worth more than the land with the house.”

not true. You are basing that on bad information that the place was just ruins or structurally bad. If I could have had access to the house, the neighbors would be next to a nice building….it wasn’t going to stay like that. It had been that way for 10 years…no one cared until I started remodeling it.
Im not sure why people don’t understand the concept of remodeling….16-20k to make a house just as nice as the one next door is much cheaper than 280k to rebuild the same floor plan. the entire industry of flipping homes is based on this
Last edited: May 16, 2022 at 12:18 AM
playaperro
You chose to circumvent the sign and virtual fence.
What if you would of pulled up and asked about the property and if it’s for sale. People get scammed on internet every day sorry amigo maybe try to get your money back but blaming owners is not getting you anywhere.
mexicoruss
Old55 said:

Isnt he in Phoenix now? I just dont see what they got out of knocking it down and if you had seen some of the owner built shitboxes we stripped out and reimaged in Tucson this place could be reworked….no garage,porch all around,maybe some indoor space turned into a screen room. Those houses our tour guide buddy reworked in Cholla are a great example….everything doesnt have to be perfect…a Monet is ok…right now this one is a picasso!….hell after 15 years 90% of the people I have met in my life are sick of their vacation house anyways….a lead weight ..

The tour guy buddy is doing fine and the houses in Cholla are great and we are down to just one house available now. They are beautiful and the new owners love them!
Bob Oso
playaperro said:

You chose to circumvent the sign and virtual fence.
What if you would of pulled up and asked about the property and if it’s for sale. People get scammed on internet every day sorry amigo maybe try to get your money back but blaming owners is not getting you anywhere.


I'm finding it hard to believe that you can't see Lobonegro has put forth a very convincing case. For anyone that has personally gone through the trust/ property process, he's done it all by the book. It has gone though all the proper channels, and signed off on by all the agencies need to complete the process. "What if's, internet scam, blaming others"? What TF are you talking about? Have your opinion, that's fine, but I'm sure the guy could get along without your useless viewpoint.
Old55
playaperro said:

You chose to circumvent the sign and virtual fence.
What if you would of pulled up and asked about the property and if it’s for sale. People get scammed on internet every day sorry amigo maybe try to get your money back but blaming owners is not getting you anywhere.

So it is coming back to me now.Didnt you defend Omar years ago …do you know him? No worries if true just would ad to the picture….Side note The owners and realtors have known for years ( heard it myself) owners were sitting on a time bomb and kept this thing as quiet as possible so the pool of buyers didn't find out….
Old55
mexicoruss said:

The tour guy buddy is doing fine and the houses in Cholla are great and we are down to just one house available now. They are beautiful and the new owners love them!

In this case the owners notes what he was doing before Omar blocked him and tore off the roof….he did it! “Fb won’t let me post any more responses. I had a local contractor that had already ordered custom windows and doors, already demoed the porch, run new exterior water lines. Sealed the cistern, cut in plumbing in the garage for a toilet and shower. the bid also included 3 mini splits, re coating stucco cracks and painting. The bid was 16,000. I had paid 10,000 already. I was doing the electrical upgrade. “
Old55
real estate agent was Richard Savino with realty executives. The closing agent was suzeth with SQ advisors.
playaperro
Old55 said:

So it is coming back to me now.Didnt you defend Omar years ago …do you know him? No worries if true just would ad to the picture….Side note The owners and realtors have known for years ( heard it myself) owners were sitting on a time bomb and kept this thing as quiet as possible so the pool of buyers didn't find out….

So I can read the sign and know what it says.
playaperro
Old55 said:

real estate agent was Richard Savino with realty executives. The closing agent was suzeth with SQ advisors.

30 day close.
playaperro
playaperro said:

So I can read the sign and know what it says.

playaperro said:

So I can read the sign and know what it says.

Yes. I do know about the courts decision.
lobonegro
playaperro said:

You chose to circumvent the sign and virtual fence.
What if you would of pulled up and asked about the property and if it’s for sale. People get scammed on internet every day sorry amigo maybe try to get your money back but blaming owners is not getting you anywhere.


what’s a virtual fence? Is that like the ones that shock the dogs? circumventing is an intentional act…you would have to know about the sign to circumvent it. It wasn’t an internet scam. It was listed by a well known international company. “Blaming owners”…. I’ve only stated what I know and have seen with my own eyes, and when I don’t know something for sure, I try to make that clear. You say I’m blaming the owners….I have a fideicomiso, bank trust, etc…the state and city said I am the owner….that’s the whole point. You can’t have 2 owners of 1 property After the sale, I found out another person holds interest in the area and documents supporting court rulings in his favor. I have never seen them and don’t know how definitive they would be on the issue.
i should not bother explaining It again to people that cant see the bigger picture. If you are friends with the Saenz and just supporting them, that’s cool. thats what friends are for. This isn’t a vendetta against the Saenz. the entire real estate process has failed in dramatic fashion. In a town with an economy based on tourism, (beach rentals included) This is a big problem. Sam Saenz reached out to me…we hope to arrange a meeting sometime. As a positive, all this info will be discoverable to alert future buyers. If we can get this settled, I’ll make more signs for Omar myself!!
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Idyllwild
Your potential adverse parties are tightly limiting their public comments on this, which is prudent given the implied threat of litigation. You might learn from their example, because if you do sue someone you will see these posts again. The internet can fix a lot of problems, but sometimes it takes a good lawyer. Best of luck.
playaperro
lobonegro said:

what’s a virtual fence? Is that like the ones that shock the dogs? circumventing is an intentional act…you would have to know about the sign to circumvent it. It wasn’t an internet scam. It was listed by a well known international company. “Blaming owners”…. I’ve only stated what I know and have seen with my own eyes, and when I don’t know something for sure, I try to make that clear. I’m You say I’m blaming the owners….I have a fideicomiso, bank trust, etc…the state and city said I am the owner….that’s the whole point. You can’t have 2 owners of 1 property After the sale, I found out another person holds interest in the area and documents supporting court rulings in his favor. I have never seen them and don’t know how definitive they would be on the issue.
i should not bother explaining It again to people that cant see the bigger picture. If you are friends with the Saenz and just supporting them, that’s cool. thats what friends are for. This isn’t a vendetta against the Saenz. the entire real estate process has failed in dramatic fashion. In a town with an economy based on tourism, (beach rentals included) This is a big problem. Sam Saenz reached out to me…we hope to arrange a meeting sometime. As a positive, all this info will be discoverable to alert future buyers. If we can get this settled, I’ll make more signs for Omar myself!!
playaperro
I’m no friends with Omar Obed Sam Carlos or northbeach maybe the 3 party your speaking about!
Old55
The sellers, a four owner group including a realtor got some splanning to do as Ricky Ricardo used to say. Perro you might mention your posting the neighbors reports on the property condition etc. turned out to be bullshit too…..mistakes happen
playaperro
lobonegro said:

what’s a virtual fence? Is that like the ones that shock the dogs? circumventing is an intentional act…you would have to know about the sign to circumvent it. It wasn’t an internet scam. It was listed by a well known international company. “Blaming owners”…. I’ve only stated what I know and have seen with my own eyes, and when I don’t know something for sure, I try to make that clear. You say I’m blaming the owners….I have a fideicomiso, bank trust, etc…the state and city said I am the owner….that’s the whole point. You can’t have 2 owners of 1 property After the sale, I found out another person holds interest in the area and documents supporting court rulings in his favor. I have never seen them and don’t know how definitive they would be on the issue.
i should not bother explaining It again to people that cant see the bigger picture. If you are friends with the Saenz and just supporting them, that’s cool. thats what friends are for. This isn’t a vendetta against the Saenz. the entire real estate process has failed in dramatic fashion. In a town with an economy based on tourism, (beach rentals included) This is a big problem. Sam Saenz reached out to me…we hope to arrange a meeting sometime. As a positive, all this info will be discoverable to alert future buyers. If we can get this settled, I’ll make more signs for Omar myself!!

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richwi
I am really curious what SQ Advisors has to say. We have used them and they have been great, but it sounds like your experience with them is very different.
lobonegro
me Too! No real answers so far. It’s very frustrating to be stuck in The middle of a realtor and closer with stellar records and reputations and a guy with vocal supporters who would do business with him anytime. Everyone involved is said to be a good upstanding person, but my pockets are empty and I have no house To show for it. I’ve spent so much time and money trying to resolve this, something has got to give. I would like a chance to sit down with the Saenz and get to the bottom of this
CheddarBob
lobonegro said:

me Too! No real answers so far. It’s very frustrating to be stuck in The middle of a realtor and closer with stellar records and reputations and a guy with vocal supporters who would do business with him anytime. Everyone involved is said to be a good upstanding person, but my pockets are empty and I have no house To show for it. I’ve spent so much time and money trying to resolve this, something has got to give. I would like a chance to sit down with the Saenz and get to the bottom of this

Have you received a call from Sammy? I understand he was requesting contact info. Maybe Sammy was just blowing smoke up everyone’s backside to cool the social media heat down. Time to ramp it up again. Except SQ needs to be slaughtere.
lobonegro
Sammy did message me that this should not happen again to other buyers, but no call yet. I understand he is in Tucson? I would drive over to sit down and chat. i went over to the Facebook page to post a few pics and answer a few questions….but all responses have been pending for about a week….am I blocked? It wasn’t anything inflammatory….why the block?
SQ has been a no show on 5 different meetings. Champions at ghosting
CheddarBob
Very interesting that Sammy has indicated that this should not happen again instead of saying never happen again. Camon Sammy you could do better.
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Ron Burgundy
rplarry said:

In the “general” section on the forum, there is a subject line of “Tijuana flights”. That Omar dude is interviewed in the video by the podcast host, as he gets off the first flight from Tijuana.

Feel bad for your plight. I know many of people who have had these experiences and they absolutely loved the beach, loved Rocky Point, loved the people , and they built up a distain that doesn’t allow them to ever come back.

Yep, this is me. Invested in the La Perla Del Mar condo tower in The Mirador 15-20 or so years ago. The developer took everyone's cash, built nothing, and got away with it untouched thanks to the actions/protection of the local government. Sadly it sounds like nothing has changed down there. I got lucky, in my case the developer cashed our down payment checks in Scottsdale, and due to this the AZ Attorney General's office went after him on our (the 40 or so investors) behalf. Amazingly, we all got about 2/3 of our money back. I never went back to Mexico after that, vowing never to spend a cent there ever again.
Old55
Idyllwild said:

Your potential adverse parties are tightly limiting their public comments on this, which is prudent given the implied threat of litigation. You might learn from their example, because if you do sue someone you will see these posts again. The internet can fix a lot of problems, but sometimes it takes a good lawyer. Best of luck.

Obottom line…this whole area is a shit show…avoid buying anything there…the flood risks from hurricanes , the crappy roads , Omar ,the Spanish grifters , the water issues ….and as this shows no one has your back…no one
Old55
Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, this is me. Invested in the La Perla Del Mar condo tower in The Mirador 15-20 or so years ago. The developer took everyone's cash, built nothing, and got away with it untouched thanks to the actions/protection of the local government. Sadly it sounds like nothing has changed down there. I got lucky, in my case the developer cashed our down payment checks in Scottsdale, and due to this the AZ Attorney General's office went after him on our (the 40 or so investors) behalf. Amazingly, we all got about 2/3 of our money back. I never went back to Mexico after that, vowing never to spend a cent there ever again.

We almost never hear these stories ( awesome you got the cash back! Who was the developer?) because the people screwed out of their money , the owners near by , the realtor community all fear getting sideways with influental people while there is even a slight chance of getting whole.With the next recession breathing down our necks ( black swan Ukraine invasion , inflation related monetary adjustments, R’s happy to blow up economy to win 2024 j it just seems a bad time to buy…..
playaperro
No sense in blaming the town for bad deeds people do, lots of movement going on all over town.
Old55
playaperro said:

No sense in blaming the town for bad deeds people do, lots of movement going on all over town.

For sure but smells like 2008
ron
Was this problem resolved? Who finally took responsibility for this fiasco?
SunDevil
Has there ever been a hurricane hit Penasco? Tropical storm maybe but the Baja protects mainland MX (north of P Vallarta) to hurricanes
Jungle Jim
In 1976 a fully formed deadly hurricane tore north up the Sea of Cortez and didn't crap out until reaching Desert Hot Springs California. I was living in a desert house north of Indio California. It was late August and I was just packing up my gear for a five year tour in Iran. The torrential rains caused flash floods that took out almost every road in or out of the Coachella Valley. Boulders the size of houses rolled down the canyons on the sides of the Santa Rosa Mountains. Dozens of big bucks homes in Palm Springs, La Quinta and Cathedral City were crushed by the boulders and others filled to the roofs with sand and mud. The normally dry sand and rock Whitewater River developed into a record breaking flash flood that took out dozens of homes and golf course buildings from Palm Springs down to Indio. Every road that crossed it was washed out for weeks.

As I recall the water level of the Salton Sea was raised by four feet or more inundating every dock and marina for years afterward. Dillon Road north of Indio was washed out in at least twenty dips and culverts some of the drop offs were fifteen feet deep. Those raging flash flooded gullies destroyed the Los Angeles Aqueduct in a dozen places actually ripping the fifteen foot diameter concrete pipes out of their rock bound structure.

The shack that we lived in was just a few hundred feet off of Dillon Road. The winds blew out almost every window glass. The shearing wind and rain blew like hell northwards for several hours then the eye of the hurricane passed over us with an eerie dead still for and hour or more. Then the wind and rain resumed blasting southwards for several more hours.

We had no electricity for more than a week, luckily we had a five hundred gallon water tank on stilts that we survived on. I had two vehicles, a Volvo hot rod sedan and a Toyota Landcruizer. We were able to poke our way overland in the Landcruizer to get supplies in Indio. Interstate 8 was washed out in many places from Plaster City west to Jacumba. The traffic was routed through Mexicali BC then to Ensenada BC then back to San Diego.

By the way, this was not the 1000 year flood as being pitched by the media right now relating to the Death Valley rains. A storm like that could occur during any monsoon season especially if the hurricane gets itself into the Sea of Cortez with 90 degree water temps and 90% humidity which are ideal conditions for a killer storm to develop.

In 1976 Penasco was just a tiny fishing village probably not even one multi story shack in town. One can only imagine the devastation when such a storm like that comes barreling through...........and IT WILL mark my words!

"You can't fool Mother Nature"

JJ
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