About the beaches

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-california-beaches-one-scientist-140029412.html

Found this on the net this morning. Very interesting to read.

Is scary but hard to believe. If it can be water transmitted they would know that already and we would all be dead shortly. the frightening thing about this is that we know so little about this virus and the guy in the top office does not inspire confidence. He has downplayed it from day1 and still does in lots of ways. Look what they did to that Navy captain.

If you want to communicate please used bpaultr3@aol.com as it is easier for me. Thanks. Trying to find a ride to town right now as all of my vehicles are in the middle of repairs. Lots of questions, hard to find answers.......... Is burrito Express still able to get mail? Are the taxi's running? etc. etc. Had a message from an older guy living alone in the Mirador with no vehicle !!............ There is no choice but to wait it out...

One thing the researchers have found is that the CV-19 (Not China Virus) is a close sibling of SAR's virus from 2003 (both are highly suspected to come from Bat's). Because of this treatments could come sooner vs later (est: Aug-Oct).
We're still looking at many more cases happening until then.
With the 100's of research teams working on this and a little luck something good can come from this.

Roberto, I'm in your boat about the lack of confidence in the top guy and the demotion of the Capt.

I just hope that the health services don't get over run by this and we peak before it does.

Roberto said:

Is scary but hard to believe. If it can be water transmitted they would know that already and we would all be dead shortly. the frightening thing about this is that we know so little about this virus and the guy in the top office does not inspire confidence. He has downplayed it from day1 and still does in lots of ways. Look what they did to that Navy captain.

If you want to communicate please used bpaultr3@aol.com as it is easier for me. Thanks. Trying to find a ride to town right now as all of my vehicles are in the middle of repairs. Lots of questions, hard to find answers.......... Is burrito Express still able to get mail? Are the taxi's running? etc. etc. Had a message from an older guy living alone in the Mirador with no vehicle !!............ There is no choice but to wait it out...

As of today 4/5/2020 the taxies are still running I saw them picking up people at Bodega Aurrera . The store is limiting one person per family to enter and for mail I don't know

brokenwave said:

I just hope that the health services don't get over run by this and we peak before it does.

That's my big fear. I t's like preparing for WWIII with a bunch of armies and but without a leader.

Stop watching msnbc and CNN and don't breath on one another you'll be fine . Still seeing a lot of misinformation .

Is Mexico's President go on local tv there talking about what's happening in Mexico. Like here.

Maduro steve said:

Stop watching msnbc and CNN and don't breath on one another you'll be fine . Still seeing a lot of misinformation .

No worries about that I have not watched TV for over 20 years. Except a bit in a bar.

Roberto said:

No worries about that I have not watched TV for over 20 years. Except a bit in a bar.

Where do you get your news from. The net only.

AZRob said:

Where do you get your news from. The net only.

Some folks seem to get their news from fox, infowars, breitbart, etc
that's why they're not worried.

AZRob said:

Where do you get your news from. The net only.

The liberal media on the net it appears. All media seems to be hyping the Chinese virus panic and hysteria though.

Tough deal in taking taxis.

On one hand people need to get around. On the other hand, seems like a possible Petri dish as you would have no idea what the health status was of the dozens of prior passengers and whether somebody just sneezed all over the door handle, the seat, etc.

Br careful.

To Whomever feels it applies. I am on twice weekly conference calls for CDC updates. Let me simply say this..If you do not feel the the Coronavirus is real, or that it is not a big deal, you are simply a fool waiting to die. Your choice, but please don't go killing others by not heeding the warnings about distancing yourself from others, washing your hands and wearing a mask when in public.

richwi said:

To Whomever feels it applies. I am on twice weekly conference calls for CDC updates. Let me simply say this..If you do not feel the the Coronavirus is real, or that it is not a big deal, you are simply a fool waiting to die. Your choice, but please don't go killing others by not heeding the warnings about distancing yourself from others, washing your hands and wearing a mask when in public.

Me and the family are doing this. Distancing and the rest. I only go into stores.

AZRob said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-california-beaches-one-scientist-140029412.html

Found this on the net this morning. Very interesting to read.

My initial thought was this is just BS, I am an avid paddle boarder (I have so many that I have a " paddle board" trailer), I am sure that the mass of water is so huge...blabla (my reptilian brain was in full swing). Then I read the article and my mammalian brain said to the reptilian one: "hey bonehead, shut up and learn!"

Thank you AZRob!

There is no liberal media, conservative media, etc. The real enemy is ignorance, take over your reptilian and ignorant (part of the) brain!
They divided us!

Queen of Kings said:

The liberal media on the net it appears. All media seems to be hyping the Chinese virus panic and hysteria though.

So obviously, you get no news at all.

After a Georgia Mayor Closed Beaches to Stop Crowds, the Governor Reopened Them.

It wasn't that big of a store yet to post link. I just cant under stand what is going thru peoples heads. Must be all about the $$$$$$$.

richwi said:

To Whomever feels it applies. I am on twice weekly conference calls for CDC updates. Let me simply say this..If you do not feel the the Coronavirus is real, or that it is not a big deal, you are simply a fool waiting to die. Your choice, but please don't go killing others by not heeding the warnings about distancing yourself from others, washing your hands and wearing a mask when in public.

You do realize the mortality rate of the Chinese virus is estimated to be less than 1% right? Your waiting to die hyperbole is irresponsible and is just fanning the hysteria and panic. People 60 and under without compromised immune systems have almost nothing to worry about. Much like the common flu that we deal with EVERY year. The common flu causes between 20,000 and 60,000 deaths in the US every year.

QueenOK, 1% really not right.

Well the death rate of the CV-19 virus is 7.164%. 1,032,000 as in (Million) total cases with 73,932 deaths so far and counting.
1,032,000 X .07164% = 73,932
20-60K Flu deaths in the US per year, sad but it happens. But then you're count, is looking in the rear view mirror after it has passed.
(Maybe changing peoples hygiene habit's will reduce this greatly, next season) Hummmm?

These CV-19 numbers don't include the many who probably have or had it and people's deaths who weren't counted
because we didn't have tests available to determine if CV-19 was involved in-spite of being told we had plenty by the politicians.
Also we're in the beginning of this nightmare and until the testing gets rolled out massively, we just won't know.

In Italy, Spain and other places, if you died at home you weren't tested and not included in the official CV-19 count,

Look at the final numbers after CV-19, runs it's course and you could be be singing a different tune.
Hopefully much less than H1N1 (swine flu) which is said to have killed up to 575,000 world wide.

brokenwave said:

QueenOK, 1% really not right.

Well the death rate of the CV-19 virus is 7.164%. 1,032,000 as in (Million) total cases with 73,932 deaths so far and counting.
1,032,000 X .07164% = 73,932
20-60K Flu deaths in the US per year, sad but it happens. But then you're count, is looking in the rear view mirror after it has passed.
(Maybe changing peoples hygiene habit's will reduce this greatly, next season) Hummmm?

These CV-19 numbers don't include the many who probably have or had it and people's deaths who weren't counted
because we didn't have tests available to determine if CV-19 was involved in-spite of being told we had plenty by the politicians.
Also we're in the beginning of this nightmare and until the testing gets rolled out massively, we just won't know.

In Italy, Spain and other places, if you died at home you weren't tested and not included in the official CV-19 count,

Look at the final numbers after CV-19, runs it's course and you could be be singing a different tune.
Hopefully much less than H1N1 (swine flu) which is said to have killed up to 575,000 world wide.

Don’t waste your time responding

brokenwave said:

QueenOK, 1% really not right.

Well the death rate of the CV-19 virus is 7.164%. 1,032,000 as in (Million) total cases with 73,932 deaths so far and counting.
1,032,000 X .07164% = 73,932
20-60K Flu deaths in the US per year, sad but it happens. But then you're count, is looking in the rear view mirror after it has passed.
(Maybe changing peoples hygiene habit's will reduce this greatly, next season) Hummmm?

These CV-19 numbers don't include the many who probably have or had it and people's deaths who weren't counted
because we didn't have tests available to determine if CV-19 was involved in-spite of being told we had plenty by the politicians.
Also we're in the beginning of this nightmare and until the testing gets rolled out massively, we just won't know.

In Italy, Spain and other places, if you died at home you weren't tested and not included in the official CV-19 count,

Look at the final numbers after CV-19, runs it's course and you could be be singing a different tune.
Hopefully much less than H1N1 (swine flu) which is said to have killed up to 575,000 world wide.

Who is it that said never let a crisis go to waist , this is so over blown by the media . At some point i think the cure will be worse than the virus .

An ounce of prevention is better than a ton of Cure.

Queen of Kings said:

You do realize the mortality rate of the Chinese virus is estimated to be less than 1% right? Your waiting to die hyperbole is irresponsible and is just fanning the hysteria and panic. People 60 and under without compromised immune systems have almost nothing to worry about. Much like the common flu that we deal with EVERY year. The common flu causes between 20,000 and 60,000 deaths in the US every year.

What I realize is that I work with a group of scientists and virologists among other disciplines. The estimated mortality rate of COVID-19 is about 10X the rate of our normal seasonal flu, best case (1% vs .01%) 1% is seen as the best case among experts. The most likely case is 1.7%.. We have no immunizations available so doing what we can to mitigate the spread by social distancing is simple and responsible. I realize you select your facts from the internet rather than first hand expertise with experts in the field, so obviously we should take your word for it when it comes to information surrounding the coronavirus.

10,841 deaths reported in the states as of now, with close to 2,500 in Mexico.

Thanks for this information Kenny. The news in Arizona says more than 10,000. You have better info. God bless the USA, Mexico, and the world.

richwi said:

What I realize is that I work with a group of scientists and virologists among other disciplines. The estimated mortality rate of COVID-19 is about 10X the rate of our normal seasonal flu, best case (1% vs .01%) 1% is seen as the best case among experts. The most likely case is 1.7%.. We have no immunizations available so doing what we can to mitigate the spread by social distancing is simple and responsible. I realize you select your facts from the internet rather than first hand expertise with experts in the field, so obviously we should take your word for it when it comes to information surrounding the coronavirus.

Touche’. Thank you Rich for your medical experience to the forum that actually provides some insight to the current situation. Possibly the King of Queer will find somewhere else to spread his/her hate and bullshit propaganda. And by the way King of Queer, I double retract my TDS statement from a week or so ago.

brokenwave said:

QueenOK, 1% really not right.

Well the death rate of the CV-19 virus is 7.164%. 1,032,000 as in (Million) total cases with 73,932 deaths so far and counting.
1,032,000 X .07164% = 73,932
20-60K Flu deaths in the US per year, sad but it happens. But then you're count, is looking in the rear view mirror after it has passed.
(Maybe changing peoples hygiene habit's will reduce this greatly, next season) Hummmm?

These CV-19 numbers don't include the many who probably have or had it and people's deaths who weren't counted
because we didn't have tests available to determine if CV-19 was involved in-spite of being told we had plenty by the politicians.
Also we're in the beginning of this nightmare and until the testing gets rolled out massively, we just won't know.

In Italy, Spain and other places, if you died at home you weren't tested and not included in the official CV-19 count,

Look at the final numbers after CV-19, runs it's course and you could be be singing a different tune.
Hopefully much less than H1N1 (swine flu) which is said to have killed up to 575,000 world wide.

Again, you CANNOT give an accurate mortality rate without testing everyone. So many people have it, had it or had very mild symptoms and never were tested. That is a fact. Without accurate data on how many people had/have the Chinese virus, you cannot spew 7.1% mortality as accurate. It is wrong and you know it. Medical professionals also seem to be blaming various deaths on the Chinese virus. Old guy has a heart attack, oop he tested positive for the Chinese virus. Rack up another. You will be singing a different tune when/if accurate data ever becomes available. Right now you are regurgitating out meaningless numbers to further panic and hysteria. You should be ashamed.

bringitbig said:

Touche’. Thank you Rich for your medical experience to the forum that actually provides some insight to the current situation. Possibly the King of Queer will find somewhere else to spread his/her hate and bullshit propaganda. And by the way King of Queer, I double retract my TDS statement from a week or so ago.

You know you are winning the debate when the other guy resorts to childish name calling. Good on ya!

Queen -
You apparently have not been paying attention at all - there is no winning here, and science is fact - it doesn't care what YOU think.
Your perception doesn't alter reality.
70 days wasted by inaction and lies.

Queen of Kings said:

Again, you CANNOT give an accurate mortality rate without testing everyone. So many people have it, had it or had very mild symptoms and never were tested. That is a fact. Without accurate data on how many people had/have the Chinese virus, you cannot spew 7.1% mortality as accurate. It is wrong and you know it. Medical professionals also seem to be blaming various deaths on the Chinese virus. Old guy has a heart attack, oop he tested positive for the Chinese virus. Rack up another. You will be singing a different tune when/if accurate data ever becomes available. Right now you are regurgitating out meaningless numbers to further panic and hysteria. You should be ashamed.

I just corrected the inaccurate numbers you touted with what's being reported at the John Hopkin's website and other sites.
The US CV-19 update team uses them everyday.
You can't test everyone if you don't have test kit's available, the leaders at CDC and in DC screwed that one up,

So, I am doubting your info on "Old guy has a heart attack, oop he tested positive for the CV-19"
pretty hard to do if we don't have millions of Test kit's available to test dead people. Maybe someday soon.

So there's a fair chance the US is under reporting CV-19 cases and deaths as well.

All of this really doesn't matter because all we can really do is limit the CV-19 spread by:

1. Staying at home for the next 3-4 weeks, limiting exposure to others and maintain a safe distance.
2. Have medical services available to care for those who get sick.
3. Help your neighbors who may need assistance, while trying to keep yourself safe, masks/gloves.
4. Wash and practice good hygiene.
5. Let the CV-19 run it's course until a treatment becomes available.
6. People with strong immune systems will deal with this better, those with weak systems will suffer.

Ashamed? What would I be ashamed for? I prefer the real facts on what we're dealing with and I'm sure
other's on this forum do as well.
I'm not afraid and neither should you, in the end everything will work out fine.
It always does.
Off my soapbox.

Queen of Kings said:

Again, you CANNOT give an accurate mortality rate without testing everyone. So many people have it, had it or had very mild symptoms and never were tested. That is a fact. Without accurate data on how many people had/have the Chinese virus, you cannot spew 7.1% mortality as accurate. It is wrong and you know it. Medical professionals also seem to be blaming various deaths on the Chinese virus. Old guy has a heart attack, oop he tested positive for the Chinese virus. Rack up another. You will be singing a different tune when/if accurate data ever becomes available. Right now you are regurgitating out meaningless numbers to further panic and hysteria. You should be ashamed.

If modern medical science operated by your rules we would not have antibiotics, vaccinations, many different successful treatments for diseases. You can start your own list but think of Polio. Accurate data by your description will NEVER be available. Everyone dies when the heart stops and there is no oxygen to the brain so brain cells die. when the EEG is flat and the heart no longer beats you are by definition dead. There is the only accurate data we will even have,100% dead. so why are we wasting all the time and money on medical research and treatments?

98% of people who get this virus survive it . More folks are more concerned about the economy recovery than they are catching the virus .

It's one thing to have a full-time troll, like Steve here. It's quite another thing when they don't have the brain God gave a goose.

The basic reproductive rate (R0) of the seasonal flu averages around 1.5. COVID-19 is estimated to be closer to 2, possibly higher. If you don't think this makes a big difference, then you're wrong. Second, the R0 number is applicable for a population where everyone is susceptible. While the flu is already ingrained among us, there are vaccines, treatments and those with immunity. (Refer to richwi's comment for additional info on this)

If you want to compare it to something, compare it to the 1918 flu where governments censored reporting to protect morale during WWI. I agree that the media embellishes, they do with everything. But like joester says, science doesn't care what you think.

Kenny said:

It's one thing to have a full-time troll, like Steve here. It's quite another thing when they don't have the brain God gave a goose.

Originally the estimates for deaths in the U.S. 2 million then 1 million and then 500,000. U.S.today 11008 world wide 76,000 . The economic impact is going to way more devastating than the virus itself . Stop the hype .

joester said:

Queen -
You apparently have not been paying attention at all - there is no winning here, and science is fact - it doesn't care what YOU think.
Your perception doesn't alter reality.
70 days wasted by inaction and lies.

You must be talking about the impeachment hoax right?

Maduro steve said:

98% of people who get this virus survive it . More folks are more concerned about the economy recovery than they are catching the virus .

The numbers are actually more like 99%+, but we get your point. The braindead continue to stoke the panic and hysteria.

Maduro steve said:

Originally the estimates for deaths in the U.S. 2 million then 1 million and then 500,000. U.S.today 11008 world wide 76,000 . The economic impact is going to way more devastating than the virus itself . Stop the hype .

Yup, every single model so far has been wrong.

Queen of Kings said:

Yup, every single model so far has been wrong.

There models lame brain, models. No one said they were gospel, and no one is hoping for a higher number. Stop being an ass.

Queen of Kings said:

Yup, every single model so far has been wrong.

Better to be over prepared than caught with our pants down.
As I've mentioned before, if our health services get overrun we're all screwed. So let's not allow that to happen.

People will look at this and be able to point fingers where to put
the blame, in the future, now it's just too politically charged to make a sane assessment.

brokenwave said:

Better to be over prepared than caught with our pants down.
As I've mentioned before, if our health services get overrun we're all screwed. So let's not allow that to happen.

People will look at this and be able to point fingers where to put
the blame, in the future, now it's just too politically charged to make a sane assessment.

They do not have the same agenda as those of us who are concerned about our fellow man in Mexico and around the world. They are only on this thread and others like it to defend the undefendable.

Yep,

Kenny said:

There models lame brain, models. No one said they were gospel, and no one is hoping for a higher number. Stop being an ass.

The word you are looking for is they're. Yet I am the lame brain..... Is everyone who does not agree with you an ass? Second person in two days to resort to childish name calling. That says more about you than it does about me.

AZRob said:

Where do you get your news from. The net only.

This thing called reading. It's a lost art apparently.

I can't imagine being so smart that you disagree with a scientist. This reminds me of the anti-vaxxers. Poor child that died of measles because the parents thought they knew more than scientists. So the vax didn't kill the child, the lack of it did. Sad.

Mexico Joe said:

This thing called reading. It's a lost art apparently.

Two things
Really my thread got high jacked by this BS!
Also don't poke a sleeping Lion! Your going to get bit!
These are not questions, they are statements.

That is a polite way of saying don't reply and go start your own thread KIDS!!!!


Off Topic By MIRAMAR
"Come over here if you want to talk Politics- otherwise, stay off the other sites!!"

Queen of Kings said:

The word you are looking for is they're. Yet I am the lame brain..... Is everyone who does not agree with you an ass? Second person in two days to resort to childish name calling. That says more about you than it does about me.

No, it doesn't. It says you are an ass. I know I know, I should have said dumbass, but what the hey, we all make mistakes.

Didn't Stuart have a group of argumentative assholes locked in the basement of this forum? Why not go there and rant?

Queen of Kings said:

The liberal media on the net it appears. All media seems to be hyping the Chinese virus panic and hysteria though.

Pay no attention to the media. Listen to your President. It's a hoax! 70 days.

girlfran said:

Pay no attention to the media. Listen to your President. It's a hoax! 70 days.

That's really comforting, :laugh2:

ernesto said:

Didn't Stuart have a group of argumentative assholes locked in the basement of this forum? Why not go there and rant?

The basement was then opened up to a group of people that have never been to or heard of Rocky Point because they got kicked out of another forum and needed a place where they can FAP on each other.

What does FAB mean??

Roberto said:

What does FAB mean??

It is FAP and it's what joe does when he isn't shitting his pants. Or maybe while he is shitting his pants.

You have gone way over the line now. I hope you will be banned permanently.
Is there a method to block the receipt of posts from another member of this forum?

Queen of Kings said:

It is FAP and it's what joe does when he isn't shitting his pants. Or maybe while he is shitting his pants.

Y'all need to take a chill pill, seriously. My suggestion to all at this point is that A) if you don't have anything relative to say, don't say it and B) learn to use the Ignore feature if you don't want to read another user's drivel.

Kenny - Only using you as an example here, nothing personal should be inferred. (I was going to use myself, but apparently you can't Ignore yourself! Hahaha!)

Go to Members.

Type in the members name.

When their profile opens, you'll see a Follow and an Ignore button. Click Ignore and you won't see their posts. You can always remove them from Ignore if you are so inclined by following the same steps.

Stuart said:

Y'all need to take a chill pill, seriously. My suggestion to all at this point is that A) if you don't have anything relative to say, don't say it and B) learn to use the Ignore feature if you don't want to read another user's drivel.

Kenny - Only using you as an example here, nothing personal should be inferred. (I was going to use myself, but apparently you can't Ignore yourself! Hahaha!)

Go to Members.

Type in the members name.

When their profile opens, you'll see a Follow and an Ignore button. Click Ignore and you won't see their posts. You can always remove them from Ignore if you are so inclined by following the same steps.

Ignoring someone's posts!!!! I do it too by just SCROLLING DOWN THE PAGE!!!


SAY NO TO CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stuart said:

Y'all need to take a chill pill, seriously. My suggestion to all at this point is that A) if you don't have anything relative to say, don't say it and B) learn to use the Ignore feature if you don't want to read another user's drivel.

Kenny - Only using you as an example here, nothing personal should be inferred. (I was going to use myself, but apparently you can't Ignore yourself! Hahaha!)

Go to Members.

Type in the members name.

When their profile opens, you'll see a Follow and an Ignore button. Click Ignore and you won't see their posts. You can always remove them from Ignore if you are so inclined by following the same steps.

GD that's a fine WSB you're holding right thur Kenny! Never get a chance to admire that fish when it's in your avitar. Thanks for blowing it up Stuart! Great looking specimen!

Mexico Joe said:

GD that's a fine WSB you're holding right thur Kenny! Never get a chance to admire that fish when it's in your avitar. Thanks for blowing it up Stuart! Great looking specimen!

Thanks. It was no small feat to get Ric to stop for a second to snap that picture while we were on a school of WSB, but I wanted a picture of it before it hit the deck or put in the cooler.

Kenny said:

Thanks. It was no small feat to get Ric to stop for a second to snap that picture while we were on a school of WSB, but I wanted a picture of it before it hit the deck or put in the cooler.

You have to! Plus, the colors on the fish pop so hard right out of the water vs 20 minutes later. It's incredible if you look at the detail on a Halibut right when you pull it out vs 1 hour later.