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TRUMP Threatens to close US Mexico Border

Started by Roberto · Oct 18, 2018 · 85 replies
Roberto

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump



....In addition to stopping all payments to these countries, which seem to have almost no control over their population, I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..
5:35 AM - Oct 18, 2018
Landshark
Hahaha!! Hope we get some advance notice cause I wanna be south of the border when it happens.
mexicoruss
blah blah blah ----distracted yet?
marybna
We are driving to Mazatlan next week. There doesn't seem to be a problem going down and by the time we come back some of the problems should be solved.
Landshark
They have crossed into Mexico and are heading our way.
“A caravan of Central American migrants marching into Mexico bound for the United States grew to more than 5,000 people Sunday despite threats from President Donald Trump to use the U.S. military to seal the border. They were cheered on by crowds on the Mexican side who shouted, "Venganse!" – Come on in! You can’t even walk, there’s just so many people. So far, they’re all peaceful, thank God.
Queen of Kings
Landshark said:
They have crossed into Mexico and are heading our way.
“A caravan of Central American migrants marching into Mexico bound for the United States grew to more than 5,000 people Sunday despite threats from President Donald Trump to use the U.S. military to seal the border. They were cheered on by crowds on the Mexican side who shouted, "Venganse!" – Come on in! You can’t even walk, there’s just so many people. So far, they’re all peaceful, thank God.

Wait a minute, throwing rocks and bottles at Mexican police is considered peaceful?
Landshark
Yeah, just read that report today. Nothing good about this for anyone. Ultimately there will be bad things happening and who knows what will happen if and when the now 7000 people reach the US border. Wouldn’t surprise me if that number grows significantly as the caravan travels through Mexico. There’s strength in numbers and those in Mexico wanting to go to the US will see this as an opportunity and jump on board.
Landshark
Hope this isn’t considered political!! :oops::eek::eek:
Roberto
You are sliding close to the edge there Shark.
ernesto
So just imagine if this works and they get across. How big will the next wave be?
Landshark
Roberto said:
You are sliding close to the edge there Shark.

You started it!! lol
Landshark
ernesto said:
So just imagine if this works and they get across. How big will the next wave be?

Yep, cant just roll over and open the door. This is going to be a no-win deal no matter what happens. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Petrose
Time to defend our borders from those not authorized to enter, oh wait, we tired that and failed as bad as Vietnam. Well Mexico, what are you going to do with all your new squatters that won't be able to enter the USA?
ernesto
They won't do anything with them. they will be absorbed into the social system barely getting by like many there. The goal is to get to the US and receive section 8 housing , food stamps,free Obama cellphones, internet etc. Many are young females with a few children, no male to support them, perfect setup to game our system.
TICO-T
Food stamps? Section 8 housing? Free Obama cellphones? You are a mental case. Really you are a nut job
ernesto
And YOU are naive, my friend!
TICO-T
And you are stupid, very stupid. Obama cellphones??? You are the very stupid. Pathetic. Trump lover I'm sure.
ernesto
Ever hear the expression Pura Vida? Peace out.
TICO-T
Pura Vida means "Pure Life" I lived in Costa Rica for 5 years.
JoseAz
oh tico....chill and enjoy ...
mexicoruss
So these people...(I don't have a stand here) come to the USA from Honduras and (according to some) they already understand the complicated paperwork to get benefits....... that so many claim they come here for....... and the few Americans that decide to move to Mexico cant figure out how to get a CURP or a Drivers License or pay Hacienda taxes.......I think there might be a disconnect.....just sayin... dont believe everything you see on the world wide web...they are playing you!~
audsley
Where's the bouncer?
mexicoruss
audsley said:
Where's the bouncer?

are you saying my reply was political or wrong? If so I can delete it
ernesto
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households
JimMcG
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/center-immigration-studies.
ernesto
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/
Stuart
It's not political; it's current events.
JimMcG
ernesto said:


Same story from the same source, carried by another newspaper.
Kenny
TICO-T said:
Food stamps? Section 8 housing? Free Obama cellphones? You are a mental case. Really you are a nut job

You forgot that he said "internet", and that alone is enough to bring in a division with all the supportive elements.
Kenny
JimMcG said:
Same story from the same source, carried by another newspaper.

It's a good article, but you have to read it through to get a true understanding of the headline.
"Camarota said one of the most shocking findings from the report was the high number of native-born Americans also on welfare. About 76% of immigrant households with children are on welfare, but so are 52% of native-born households with children.
"Most people have a sense that if you were to work for $10 an hour, 40 hours a week, you couldn't be receiving welfare, could you? You couldn't be living in public housing, could you?" he said. "The answer is yes, you can. That's one of the most surprising things about this study."
JimMcG
https://www.wired.com/story/mexico-migrant-caravan-misinformation-alert/
Petrose
ernesto said:
They won't do anything with them. they will be absorbed into the social system barely getting by like many there. The goal is to get to the US and receive section 8 housing , food stamps,free Obama cellphones, internet etc. Many are young females with a few children, no male to support them, perfect setup to game our system.

Sounds like the ones here now and many I've came in contact with in the desert. Yeah I'm stupid too.
Southbeacher
For those apparently trying to make a (political) point, I’ll refrain from responding on how immigration stats have absolutely nothing to do with existing law. Totally moot. After all, that would be a political argument, which is prohibited.
marybna
I am driving to Mazatlan for 10 days the 1st of Oct. Mazatlan Chat has nothing on it about the border. I guess they are all there and not going anywhere. Seeing how much traffic is going both ways in Nogales, it is hard to think of them closing the commercial border, It is not a walk across border. Any thoughts?
Roberto
They should hire all those people coming to build the wall. The would prolly work for tacos!
audsley
MexicoRuss,
In my earlier post, I wasn't talking about your post. Evidently you posted an instant before I did. I was referring to an exchange above yours that went like this:

Tico-T: Food stamps? Section 8 housing? Free Obama cellphones? You are a mental case. Really you are a nut job
Ernesto: And YOU are naive, my friend!
Tico-T: And you are stupid, very stupid. Obama cellphones??? You are the very stupid. Pathetic. Trump lover I'm sure.

THAT"S what got me wondering if anyone had seen the bouncer.

Some discussion of politics directly related to Mexico and U.S.-Mexico relations has a place here. How we go about it is important.
Landshark
audsley said:

Some discussion of politics directly related to Mexico and U.S.-Mexico relations has a place here. How we go about it is important.

Completely agree, discussions like that are one of the many things that make our forum great.
TICO-T
Landshark said:
Completely agree, discussions like that are one of the many things that make our forum great.

Thank you Landshark.
TheBigWhit
Well I for one hope that Mexico takes these poor refugees in to help them prosper, get training then go home to make their countries more liveable.
Hooch
Finally a real president with balls not like that sissyboy that destroyed our nation, these corrupt democrats will do anything they can to trash him
TICO-T
This a flat out political message which is not allowed. From a very silly person. Silly is permitted.
TICO-T
ernesto said:
Ever hear the expression Pura Vida? Peace out.

Ernesto, if you live in in the Phoenix area I want to take you for an IQ test. I will pay for it.
Kenny
Hooch needs to be house trained. He's smelling up the place.
Last edited: Oct 24, 2018 at 9:54 PM
TheBigWhit
Kenny said:
Hooch above is from the group down below, and he needs to be house trained. He's smelling up the place.

No sir, he is not part of the brotherhood below.
Kenny
TheBigWhit said:
No sir, he is not part of the brotherhood below.

You're right, and I edited it after doing a little walk down memory lane. Ha, he'd fit right in though.
Stuart
Hooch said:
Finally a real president with balls not like that sissyboy that destroyed our nation, these corrupt democrats will do anything they can to trash him


No Politics por favor, per Tyler. You have been warned.
Landshark
Been pretty quiet around here...well, here we go...
Trump sending 5200 US troops to “harden” the US border, in addition to the 2000 National Guard already deployed. Gonna be a good old-fashioned Mexican stand-off...you know...nobody wins...
Kenny
Landshark said:
Been pretty quiet around here...well, here we go...
Trump sending 5200 US troops to “harden” the US border, in addition to the 2000 National Guard already deployed. Gonna be a good old-fashioned Mexican stand-off...you know...nobody wins...

Fox News’ Shepard Smith debunks Trump’s migrant caravan rhetoric: ‘There is no invasion’

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-shepard-smith-debunks-trumps-migrant-caravan-rhetoric-there-is-no-invasion-2018-10-29
Roberto
Just read about the "Irish Invasion" and how the Irish were vilified as subhuman. There have been several "immigrant invasions' and each wave breathed new life into the US economy and society. The new invasionistias ought to get a free weekend at one of you know who's resorts.
Landshark
Kenny said:
Fox News’ Shepard Smith debunks Trump’s migrant caravan rhetoric: ‘There is no invasion’

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-shepard-smith-debunks-trumps-migrant-caravan-rhetoric-there-is-no-invasion-2018-10-29

The word “invasion” is of course the key here, obviously used by design for a reason we can’t discuss on our forum any longer. It is, in my opinion, an inappropriate word to use as most people will think of definition number 1 when in reality definition number 2 is accurate. Dirty deal in my book.... wait, can I say that??
in·va·sion
noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
Landshark
Roberto said:
Just read about the "Irish Invasion" and how the Irish were vilified as subhuman. There have been several "immigrant invasions' and each wave breathed new life into the US economy and society. The new invasionistias ought to get a free weekend at one of you know who's resorts.

They are gonna get a free stay at a Trump tent city resort.
Queen of Kings
Landshark said:
The word “invasion” is of course the key here, obviously used by design for a reason we can’t discuss on our forum any longer. It is, in my opinion, an inappropriate word to use as most people will think of definition number 1 when in reality definition number 2 is accurate. Dirty deal in my book.... wait, can I say that??
in·va·sion
noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

Actually you can make the argument that all 3 definitions are accurate in this case.
Landshark
Queen of Kings said:
Actually you can make the argument that all 3 definitions are accurate in this case.

Very true however in an environment of which we are no longer permitted to discuss number one would be considered fear-mongering and I believe that is most people’s perception of the word.
Queen of Kings
Landshark said:
Very true however in an environment of which we are no longer permitted to discuss number one would be considered fear-mongering and I believe that is most people’s perception of the word.


We can't talk about number 1 anymore? That's a pile of number 2.
tndr_cpl
I spoke to a friend who is in a fairly high position with US Customs and Border Protection. He told me a couple things that I do not think are political but more factual. 1-In the unlikely event the border is "closed" all US citizens with proper documentation will be allowed back into the US, it is possible there could be some delays. 2- It is not foreseen that the entire border will be "closed". It is anticipated that should a closure be ordered it would take place at specific locations. 3- As of now (Oct 28) it is not anticipated that Lukeville would be one of the specified locations 4- As of now (Oct 28) there has been no notification from the Mexican government that they are planning to close the border going in to Mexico. 5- Per US law any military troupes sent to the border would not be used in a policing or border enforcement role except in those specific situations allowed by the law. Military troupes would be used in support roles freeing up US CBP for required enforcement duties. I hope this was helpful. I do admit I have fairly strong feeling about this whole thing but they are better expressed elsewhere :)
TheBigWhit
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.

1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,

2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,

3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,

4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,

5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,

There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.
Kenny
TheBigWhit said:
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.

1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,

2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,

3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,

4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,

5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,

There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.

STFU
TheBigWhit
Kenny said:
STFU

That’s not very friendly.
Roberto
TheBigWhit said:
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.

1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,

2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,

3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,

4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,

5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,

There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.



Your distinctions are fascinating. Please share more. Thank you.
TheBigWhit
Roberto said:
Your distinctions are fascinating. Please share more. Thank you.

That’s enough. I’m not trying to stir any trouble. I’ll discuss what I listed unless you wish to make another point. Peacefully of course.
Roberto
TheBigWhit said:
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.

1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,
Ellis Island did not open until 1900. The massive Irish and German Immigrant waves occurred well before that time. 1920 marks the beginning of Federal control over immigration. Only those in steerage, the lower decks. cheap seats, were inspected and detained for detailed inspection prior to being allowed into the country.. First and second class ticket holders had a only brief interview. The position of the US gov at the time was if they could afford first or second class they were OK. Prior to Ellis Island and Federal control of immigration, immigration was administered by the individual states and residency and citizenship generally required only a set term of physical presence in the country. There was no restriction on entry of Americans from other south of the US border.
Many went to Mexico and Canada and passed directly into the US.


2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,
Apparently you know, or believe, that this actually occurred with the group under discussion . Assuming it did , is it appropriate to hold the entire group responsible if one person does something? If you are standing next to someone are you guilty of whatever action they make.??

3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,
My neighbor flies an Italian flag every day because he is proud of his heritage. There are social clubs all over the US based on ethnicity. Do you see this as inappropriate?? Have you ever seen the St. Patricks Day parade in NYC? See 2 above.

4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,
5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,
You need to read about the early Irish and Italian ghettos that the many thousands of new immigrants created. You need to read about the brutal Irish and Italian gangs that were prevalent . There is a great movie 'The Gangs of New York' you might enjoy viewing. They remained clannish and protected each other from attitudes of residents who resented them and accused them of taking away jobs. How some of those ethnic gangs evolved into political parties and were responsible for massive government corruption.

There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.


If you have any dis-stink-tions based on actual facts other than opinions or fantasies pass them on. We need to know the truth.
Last edited: Nov 1, 2018 at 9:12 AM
GV Jack
Roberto said:
If you have any dis-stink-tions based on actual facts other than opinions or fantasies pass them on. We need to know the truth.


"The truth, the truth, you can't handle the truth" :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
Roberto
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !!!!!:truedat::truedat:
rplarry
Kenny said:
STFU


Your reply Kenny was very uncool.

Typical juvenile response of yours, as usual.

Got to make up for Jerry’s absence I guess.
Kenny
rplarry said:
Your reply Kenny was very uncool.

Typical juvenile response of yours, as usual.

Got to make up for Jerry’s absence I guess.

Of course, as you and the Big whatever are in lockstep. You should go down to the basement, so you can wallow in it with him.
Last edited: Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM
Roberto
Kenny why don't you tell them about the love note this gentlemen sent you privately ????
Stuart
Y'all need to eat a chill pill. Seriously.

I'm gonna throw this out there. If you let politics dictate your friendships in life, you should probably reconsider who you call a friend.

Not worth it. Seriously. Despite what any of you may think, I have always considered everyone in this forum a friend, regardless of their political views. The common bond for me has always been fishing and a loving both the good and bad that is Viva Mexico.

It's the ONLY reason I've devoted years to try and keep this place what it is.

Meh. Maybe I'm just stupid.
Roberto
I appreciate your efforts for the forum. I hope you advise those below that violations will not be tolerated. They agreed as I recall. Let them play there. I do not care. Outright distortions of fact supporting political views are not good for this forum nor for the countries the US and Mexico.
Southbeacher
Stuart said:
Y'all need to eat a chill pill. Seriously.

I'm gonna throw this out there. If you let politics dictate your friendships in life, you should probably reconsider who you call a friend.

Not worth it. Seriously. Despite what any of you may think, I have always considered everyone in this forum a friend, regardless of their political views. The common bond for me has always been fishing and a loving both the good and bad that is Viva Mexico.

It's the ONLY reason I've devoted years to try and keep this place what it is.

Meh. Maybe I'm just stupid.

I would venture to say that the vast majority of folks agree and appreciate your efforts, Stuart (and Tyler). Only a few – who given rules and regs, and who sign on to those rules and regs -- then ignore the rules and regs. They interpret lack of response / argument to be acknowledgement of their self-made podium, when in reality they drive away those who are repulsed. Thank you for not caving and throwing the forum to the delinquents.
Gandydancer
If we could create a filter from the brain to the mouth(or fingers), maybe we could separate and purify the sediments of hatred , hostility, derisiveness, antipathy, and resentment that are present in our country today.
joester
It could be a wonderful world if all this energy could be guided to help preserve Mother Earth.
Stop the hate, it does no good.
peace y'all.
TheBigWhit
How can one disagree without being disagreeable?
dirtsurfer
Most new immigrant populations coming to the U.S. Have been vilified be they Irish, Italian, Polish...........the difference is in following the law or breaking the law and admittedly our immigration laws require a lot of work to clean them up. Remember that the U.S. , despite the negative image the libs will spin on this issue still accepts more immigrants from around the world than any other country. The U.S. is still in high demand from immigrants from everywhere in the world as a place to make a home (some of our local citizens should consider this thought). The biggest problem I see is partisan party politics whereby the government members of both of our loser parties vote what the party tells them to vote instead of voting for what is correct in their own conscience, just, and proper. A simple work permit system that requires background checks, taxes to be paid, clean living- no arrests, and is renewable every couple of years may be a good start as a path to citizenship. In Phoenix right now every single service provider and contractor is crying for help and cannot find anyone. Limited labor supply is a drag on the economy and is easily solvable with a work permit system that is easy and fast. My own personal stories of families that are all Americans with several kids but the father is illegal are heartbreaking.The immigration system currently is a vast morass of bureaucracy.
TheBigWhit
I wonder how many watch makers, cobblers, A/C techs, auto mechanics and plumbers are contained within the horde moving thru Mexico right now?
playaperro
TheBigWhit said:
I wonder how many watch makers, cobblers, A/C techs, auto mechanics and plumbers are contained within the horde moving thru Mexico right now?

I guess we'll find out when they arrive!
Roberto
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..
Queen of Kings
Roberto said:
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..

I think the best spot to house them would be Honduras.
Brad
Bricklayers, farm workers, construction labors, concrete workers, masons, etc are all trades which we need and can't fill with our current labor force. Let them come with a work permit. Doctors, professionals, etc have a different road to immigration which is not through the illegal route.
playaperro
Roberto said:
You are sliding close to the edge there Shark.

Fallece estadounidense al caer de techo de una vivienda en fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”

Un hombre de origen estadounidense murió la noche de ayer jueves, 8 de noviembre, luego de caer del techo de un segundo piso de una vivienda ubicada en el fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”, de este puerto.

La fuerte caída le ocasionó al hoy occiso lesiones de gravedad, por lo que fue trasladado a una clínica de la localidad por elementos de Cruz Roja Mexicana.

Ya en la clínica fue declarado muerto, siendo diagnosticado con traumatismo cráneo encefálico policontundido, heridas que le causaron la muerte.
brokenwave
Roberto said:
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..

Maybe bus them up to Ajo and have them stay in the 20-$200K trailers and 21-$600K houses that HSA built 5 years ago that nobody is living in.:thumbsup: https://tucson.com/news/local/border/us-spent-m-on-homes-in-ajo/article_40b746a6-4fd1-5146-a7f6-d83785c8a8e0.html
Kenny
playaperro said:
Fallece estadounidense al caer de techo de una vivienda en fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”

Un hombre de origen estadounidense murió la noche de ayer jueves, 8 de noviembre, luego de caer del techo de un segundo piso de una vivienda ubicada en el fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”, de este puerto.

La fuerte caída le ocasionó al hoy occiso lesiones de gravedad, por lo que fue trasladado a una clínica de la localidad por elementos de Cruz Roja Mexicana.

Ya en la clínica fue declarado muerto, siendo diagnosticado con traumatismo cráneo encefálico policontundido, heridas que le causaron la muerte.

This "American" man went over the edge Roberto. Any word about who he was, and is he known to this forum?
Roberto
I do not know anything about this.
Landshark
It said he fell at night which doesn’t make much sense. What would someone be doing on a second story roof at night?
tndr_cpl
I am a researcher (doing secondary research which means I look at the primary research that others have done) by profession. Here are some interesting facts...in the 2 weeks before the mid-term elections Fox News and Fox Business networks mentioned the caravan an average of 6 times per hour during the hours of 6 am to 11 pm, or 102 times per day. The President mentioned an average of nearly 7 times per day. Since Tuesday's election Fox and Fox Business have mentioned it an average of 4 times per day (once every other hour), the President only twice total.
Roberto
Landshark said:
It said he fell at night which doesn’t make much sense. What would someone be doing on a second story roof at night?

TMT -- Too much tequila ???? Probably an upper level deck.
Landshark
Roberto said:
TMT -- Too much tequila ???? Probably an upper level deck.

That’s about what I thought, sad situation regardless of the circumstances.