Understanding the 2018 Mexican Election

http://kagkmexicalpan.blogspot.com/2018/01/because-you-asked-for-it-herewith-is.html. Good run down

Thanks Jerry that was interesting. There is so much shady stuff in all of Mexican politics, the PAN candidate Anaya has his family living in the US for like 3 years until the moment he declared his candidacy and then brought them back. Just Google "Ricardo Anaya atlanta"- he was paying almost half a million dollars a year and couldn't account for where the money came from.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/nacion/politica/2016/11/3/ricardo-anaya-se-da-vida-de-lujo-en-eu

Almost everyone I have talked to in Mexico has despised Pena Nieto since the instant he got in... It may really be 3rd times a charm for Lopez Obrador...

"It may really be 3rd times a charm for Lopez Obrador..."

Because Socialism has worked so well for Venezuela!

MIRAMAR said:

"It may really be 3rd times a charm for Lopez Obrador..."

Because Socialism has worked so well for Venezuela!

Works in Northern Europe...he isn't talking about implementation of anything like Venezuela....you know that I am sure....

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/amlos-support-rises-four-points-to-42/?utm_source=Mexico+News+Daily&utm_campaign=f995d18e34-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f1536a3787-f995d18e34-349485765 .

jerry said:

Works in Northern Europe...he isn't talking about implementation of anything like Venezuela....you know that I am sure....

Most of the so called socialistic countries in Norhern Europe rank higher in freedom indexes and also in surveys about regulation they rank as less regulated-good or bad.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/amlo-is-likely-winner-goldman-sachs-says/
I understand he will make life tough on us paperwork wise.... forget working under the table....

We're in trouble

MIRAMAR said:

We're in trouble

we may see fee increases, property taxes come up to what they should be,higher entry fees ,tighter visa stuff.....not a deal killer but a hit for sure

Venezuela didn't see it coming either with Chavez

MIRAMAR said:

Venezuela didn't see it coming either with Chavez

Like we have any room to talk....bigly!

You can't compare the US to Venezuela!

MIRAMAR said:

You can't compare the US to Venezuela!

Comparing the leaders....both insane

jerry said:

Comparing the leaders....both insane

Yes, but, I have not ever been personally affected by a President except one that has pushed through minor tax increases or decreases. The one exception is obummercare which costs me about 15K a year in increased premiums and much larger deductibles.

jerry said:

we may see fee increases, property taxes come up to what they should be,higher entry fees ,tighter visa stuff.....not a deal killer but a hit for sure

What in the hell do I receive for paying property taxes? Absolutely no security, pot hole filled roads, bribery tending police, rip off taxis...........screw “raising property taxes to where they should be”! I know this is Mexico but screw it, I am gone if it starts costing me more and so will be a lot of tourists.

dirtsurfer said:

What in the hell do I receive for paying property taxes? Absolutely no security, pot hole filled roads, bribery tending police, rip off taxis...........screw “raising property taxes to where they should be”! I know this is Mexico but screw it, I am gone if it starts costing me more and so will be a lot of tourists.

ha...just messing with you!

52%. Bernie Sanders type social Democrat... https://www.dallasnews.com/news/mexico-election-2018/2018/05/30/poll-mexicos-left-leaning-presidential-candidate-lopez-obrador-widens-lead

AMLO says the Mexican Supreme Court is not on the side of "the people"- I thought they were to be on the side of the law!

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sdpnoticias.com%2Fnacional%2F2018%2F05%2F29%2Facusa-amlo-que-suprema-corte-no-esta-del-lado-del-pueblo&edit-text=&act=url

Ha ha ha ha , The Law here depends on who is reading it and who is paying.

And AMLO says about the law, majority wins!

MIRAMAR said:

And AMLO says about the law, majority wins!

Like Trump...

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/UN-Commits-to-Work-With-AMLO-to-Fight-Corruption-If-He-Wins-20180602-0005.html. Encouraged! After seeing what Padres did to Sonora and the PAN falure to admit the thieving which just wrecked the state this is starting to look promising.I like his southern Mexican tree planting and the coast to coast tourist train plus the 30km no tax Enterprise zone at the border could be great for Az...

About right. "AMLO’s critics portray him as a danger to Mexican democracy, and it’s true that his personal leadership style might test the strength of its institutions. But so would the election of any other candidate. AMLO’s election would also be a testament of democratic normalcy: he is the strongest opposition candidate confronting a deeply unpopular administration. The real issue, perhaps, is that Mexico’s greatest problems—massive inequality along with devastating crime and violence—cannot be fully resolved by its political system. In that, too, Mexico is hardly alone. It is merely one face of the great problem of our time, as oligarchic pressures crowd out democratic ones. MORENA’s slogan is “Mexico’s hope,” and Mexicans have sorely earned it. But what comes after hope

That's easy. Change. Just ask Obama.

Hope and Change.

Bwahahaha!

http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/02072018/1353488-AMLO-celebra-victoria-y-promete-reforma-radical-pacifica.html. Smashing victory nation wide....in Sonoyta armed men robbed the ballet boxes to keep the rats in power...

jerry said:

http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/02072018/1353488-AMLO-celebra-victoria-y-promete-reforma-radical-pacifica.html. Smashing victory nation wide....in Sonoyta armed men robbed the ballet boxes to keep the rats in power...

Was reading on this. Most brutal election ever. Over 120 candidates and campaign workers murdered. I hope Mexico is happy with their version of Bernie Sanders. I would be very apprehensive if I owned property there due to the "Robin Hood" effect of steal from the rich gringos and give to the poor in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc. Guess we'll see what happens. As the saying goes, socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.

Stuart said:

Was reading on this. Most brutal election ever. Over 120 candidates and campaign workers murdered. I hope Mexico is happy with their version of Bernie Sanders. I would be very apprehensive if I owned property there due to the "Robin Hood" effect of steal from the rich gringos and give to the poor in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc. Guess we'll see what happens. As the saying goes, socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.

Well Stewart we will see...I understand the sawed off grifter won reelection as the mayor...

dirtsurfer said:

Most of the so called socialistic countries in Norhern Europe rank higher in freedom indexes and also in surveys about regulation they rank as less regulated-good or bad.

Well, and Northern Europe is like managing a few, small social(istic) clubs in comparison to the vast populous / land mass of US. Hard to mess up.

Southbeacher said:

Well, and Northern Europe is like managing a few, small social(istic) clubs in comparison to the vast populous / land mass of US. Hard to mess up.

. The current population of Northern Europe is 104,760,075 as of Sunday, July 1, 2018, based on the latest United Nations estimates. Northern Europe population is equivalent to 1.37% of the total world population

jerry said:

. The current population of Northern Europe is 104,760,075 as of Sunday, July 1, 2018, based on the latest United Nations estimates. Northern Europe population is equivalent to 1.37% of the total world population

Northern Europe is not a country. It is a region with relatively small nations.

Southbeacher said:

Northern Europe is not a country. It is a region with relatively small nations.

And if you read upon the political climate in Northern Europe, there is a shift in support to strongly conservative groups and voting them into the power. The populace has smelled the roses, so to speak, and is tired of having up to 60% + of their income sucked up by taxes to support all the free shit. Can you blame them? The numbers don't lie. And now that the US has said "fund your own damn defense" expect these numbers to rise even higher.

Income and VAT taxes shown below (I didn't bother to list corporate tax rates):

Denmark - 55.56% (including 8% social security paid by the employee but excluding 0.42–1.48% church tax imposed on members of the national Church of Denmark) VAT - 25% (reduced rate 0% on transportation of passengers and newspapers normally published at a rate of more than one issue per month)

Finland - 25% to 67% depending on the net income and municipality, including 7.8% social insurance fees, employee unemployment payment and employer unemployment payment, which is on average 18% (2018). VAT - 24% (reduced rate of 14% for groceries and restaurants, 10% for books, medicine, transport of passengers and some others)

Norway - 46.9% (53.5% including 14.1% social security contribution by employer. All taxes include 8.2% pension fund payments). VAT - 25% (reduced rate of 15% for groceries, and 10% for transport and culture.)

Sweden - 67% including social security paid by employer. VAT - 25% (reduced rates 12% and 6%)

Think about those numbers for a minute. Outrageous. Sweden? Holy moly! Imagine 67 cents of every dollar you made being handed over to the government every week. And then an additional 25 cents of every dollar you spend being sucked in by the government.

Stuart said:

And if you read upon the political climate in Northern Europe, there is a shift in support to strongly conservative groups and voting them into the power. The populace has smelled the roses, so to speak, and is tired of having up to 60% + of their income sucked up by taxes to support all the free shit. Can you blame them? The numbers don't lie. And now that the US has said "fund your own damn defense" expect these numbers to rise even higher.

Income and VAT taxes shown below (I didn't bother to list corporate tax rates):

Denmark - 55.56% (including 8% social security paid by the employee but excluding 0.42–1.48% church tax imposed on members of the national Church of Denmark) VAT - 25% (reduced rate 0% on transportation of passengers and newspapers normally published at a rate of more than one issue per month)

Finland - 25% to 67% depending on the net income and municipality, including 7.8% social insurance fees, employee unemployment payment and employer unemployment payment, which is on average 18% (2018). VAT - 24% (reduced rate of 14% for groceries and restaurants, 10% for books, medicine, transport of passengers and some others)

Norway - 46.9% (53.5% including 14.1% social security contribution by employer. All taxes include 8.2% pension fund payments). VAT - 25% (reduced rate of 15% for groceries, and 10% for transport and culture.)

Sweden - 67% including social security paid by employer. VAT - 25% (reduced rates 12% and 6%)

Think about those numbers for a minute. Outrageous. Sweden? Holy moly! Imagine 67 cents of every dollar you made being handed over to the government every week. And then an additional 25 cents of every dollar you spend being sucked in by the government.

You need to get out more... people l

Let's also remember much of the refugee crisis would have never happened if George Bush would have invaded the actual county that crashed a plane into the World Trade Center and left Sadam to keep everything else tamped down in his mess of a country.

jerry said:

Let's also remember much of the refugee crisis would have never happened if George Bush would have invaded the actual county that crashed a plane into the World Trade Center and left Sadam to keep everything else tamped down in his mess of a country.

J: I often think of this, most if not all Arab countries are run better by despotic, cruel, inhumane rulers. Has there ever been a peaceful transformation of power in these countries? One more thing: think of the economic miracle Saddam could have developed with all of the oil money and all of the water he had, he could have had the West Germany of the Middle East instead of blowing hundreds of billions on outdated and semi-useless soviet military equipment. And you are correct, if we went in an took out Assad in Syria-which would be very easy, the country would remain even more of a mess than it is right now.

The question remains, “if your neighbor is beating the hell out of his wife how long do you stand around and watch?” Maduro in Venezuela is a good example of someone who needs to be taken out but who plays god?

dirtsurfer said:

Most of the so called socialistic countries in Norhern Europe rank higher in freedom indexes and also in surveys about regulation they rank as less regulated-good or bad.

One more thing, if in the U.S. you add income taxes, sales taxes, state, county and municipal taxes and then the fees we pay for every government service we need, our taxes are higher than a lot of the so called socialistic countries.

dirtsurfer said:

One more thing, if in the U.S. you add income taxes, sales taxes, state, county and municipal taxes and then the fees we pay for every government service we need, our taxes are higher than a lot of the so called socialistic countries.

You'd have to prove that one to me against the numbers listed above. The effective tax rate for most middle income Americans hovers around 20 to 25%, even with sales tax and such. Obviously, the rich pay more, while the poor pay much less. Look up Earned Income Credit sometime. The poor get money back from the government that wasn't even paid in taxes.

jerry said:

You need to get out more... people l

Do you agree or not agree with what I posted, Jerry? Doesn't matter, really, the numbers are what they are. The point is still the same -- it takes a lot of taxes and money to run a socialist utopia.

When you open the doors to mass immigration of unskilled labor (Muslims in their case) that need to be sheltered, fed, and clothed, the burden upon working citizens gets even higher. It only works for awhile until the citizens revolt. Some of these countries that had open arms are waking up to the nightmare they have created and are in fact closing their doors to the unwashed masses. It's happening all over Europe. Italy refused to take a ship load of rescued Libyan immigrants this week. Told them to go to Malta instead.

I get out plenty, Jerry. Maybe you need to study up a bit on what's happening on the world stage, not just our own border. There are lots of parallels you can learn from.

jerry said:

Let's also remember much of the refugee crisis would have never happened if George Bush would have invaded the actual county that crashed a plane into the World Trade Center and left Sadam to keep everything else tamped down in his mess of a country.

Really? A "But Bush!" in this day and age? Lame, Jerry, lame. 2018 calling on line 1...

dirtsurfer said:

The question remains, “if your neighbor is beating the hell out of his wife how long do you stand around and watch?” Maduro in Venezuela is a good example of someone who needs to be taken out but who plays god?

Venezuela is collapsing under its own weight as I type this. We don't need to play God there. Maduro's days are numbered. I firmly believe the water crisis they are now experiencing will be the straw that breaks his back. The people will rise and take back their country. The protests in the streets are getting larger everyday. It will be bloody, but we don't need to be involved. So much for socialism there.

Stuart said:

Do you agree or not agree with what I posted, Jerry? Doesn't matter, really, the numbers are what they are. The point is still the same -- it takes a lot of taxes and money to run a socialist utopia.

When you open the doors to mass immigration of unskilled labor (Muslims in their case) that need to be sheltered, fed, and clothed, the burden upon working citizens gets even higher. It only works for awhile until the citizens revolt. Some of these countries that had open arms are waking up to the nightmare they have created and are in fact closing their doors to the unwashed masses. It's happening all over Europe. Italy refused to take a ship load of rescued Libyan immigrants this week. Told them to go to Malta instead.

I get out plenty, Jerry. Maybe you need to study up a bit on what's happening on the world stage, not just our own border. There are lots of parallels you can learn from.

. It is complicated and a matter of taste ...not something Phoenix College's Philosophy Dept ( pause for laughs) preps one for...

Norway has so many nice attributes - it's safe, clean, and affluent and has good schools and hospitals, a nice work/life balance, and very tolerant people, living the North American lifestyle in Norway on a reasonable budget is impossible (i.e. owning a few cars, living in a moderate to big house, eating out (or ordering out) when the mood strikes, buying cheap groceries at Costco, and putting away some money every month for an early retirement etc.).

This is not to say that everyone should live the North American lifestyle, but for better or worse, once you try it, it's easy to get hooked. This may explain why so many more Norwegian citizens live in the US than US citizens live in Norway

I frankly wish the US didn't have so many dangerous places in its cities (but it doesn't take long to learn how to recognize and avoid these areas, plus the violent crime shown so often on TV and in the movies spills out into the general population much less than foreigners might believe).

The US also definitely has more punk kids than Norway, which can be annoying. And the poverty that can be found in the US should be a source of disgrace to all Americans. Maybe Canada has it right?

A Norwegian expat friend who has lived in the US for the past 20 years summed things up nicely - at the early and later stages of life, Norway is nice. The education is good, there's not much to worry about, and when you're going to school, or you're retired, you dont get hit too hard by the high taxes. Plus consumption is relatively low at these ages, so the costs of things won't kill you (and taking public transportation won't be too onerous).

However, during the working years, and definitely after you have kids, the US is hard to beat, because a comfortable life is so incredibly affordable.

That said, everyone is different and personal preferences are key drivers on where a person should live. If you're reading this in either the US or Norway, consider yourself lucky, because you've already got it

Fox news facts are.. well ..you know...

Blame the messenger, but ignore the message. Typical. I don't watch Fox news, other than some local reporting. I get and read the newspaper everyday. And read a variety of Internet news feeds that are non-partisan. Probably some of the same ones you read.

Again, lame Jerry. Lame.

Stuart said:

Blame the messenger, but ignore the message. Typical. I don't watch Fox news, other than some local reporting. I get and read the newspaper everyday. And read a variety of Internet news feeds that are non-partisan. Probably some of the same ones you read.

Again, lame Jerry. Lame.

List them...news max,drudge,bretbart aside..

Stuart said:

Venezuela is collapsing under its own weight as I type this. We don't need to play God there. Maduro's days are numbered. I firmly believe the water crisis they are now experiencing will be the straw that breaks his back. The people will rise and take back their country. The protests in the streets are getting larger everyday. It will be bloody, but we don't need to be involved. So much for socialism there.

So what? AMLO is not Maduro

dirtsurfer said:

J: I often think of this, most if not all Arab countries are run better by despotic, cruel, inhumane rulers. Has there ever been a peaceful transformation of power in these countries? One more thing: think of the economic miracle Saddam could have developed with all of the oil money and all of the water he had, he could have had the West Germany of the Middle East instead of blowing hundreds of billions on outdated and semi-useless soviet military equipment. And you are correct, if we went in an took out Assad in Syria-which would be very easy, the country would remain even more of a mess than it is right now.

The question remains, “if your neighbor is beating the hell out of his wife how long do you stand around and watch?” Maduro in Venezuela is a good example of someone who needs to be taken out but who plays god?

Well us and the Russians both didn't learn anything and are stuck again in the middle East.Iraq is a semi Iranian proxy and the Talaban rules half of Afganistan.That Trump victory parade looks funnier by the moment. .We need a Marshall plan for central America ( wrecked by Regan)

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-progressive-reformist-is-leading-mexicos-presidential-polls-and-washington-is-freaking-out/. Here again is a positive spin on the man with big plans....

jerry said:

So what? AMLO is not Maduro

Never said he was. Where did you infer that? I was addressing Venezuela specifically.

jerry said:

List them...news max,drudge,bretbart aside..

Al Jazeera, BBC, Washington Post, and several others. Don't put me in the Alex Jones camp, Jerry. You KNOW better than that!

You pay for WP? way to go

Stuart said:

Never said he was. Where did you infer that? I was addressing Venezuela specifically.

Sorry...my fellow Tucsonian threw that out at the start of the thread.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-03/mexican-peso-jumps-after-lopez-obrador-conversation-with-trump. In some ways they could be allies... except Trump is an idiot baby man...

Sounds good
"HERMOSILLO, Sonora (GH)
Sonora is within the commitments and campaign promises of Andrés Manuel López Obrador, virtual President of Mexico for the period 2018-2024, with specific proposals for the entity.

One of the main ones is the location of the headquarters of the Secretariat of Agriculture, Livestock, Rural Development, Fisheries and Food (Sagarpa) federal in Ciudad Obregón, which will start operating in this location from December 1, 2018.

Another one of the specific points is the special fiscal treatment to the border cities of the State, with a reduction to half of the VAT and a reduction to 20% of the Income Tax, as well as equalize the cost of gasoline to that of the US border cities .

López Obrador also proposed to double the minimum wage in the border area, scholarships for young people with scarce resources and guarantee medical attention to the entire population. "

San luis and Caborca went for him.( Might be bad for Totaba)..hell the manager of the Hotel Fray in Nogakes is now the mayor....socialist on the border....and a really good guy

Plus AMLO backer Anna Gurrera (the ex track star) is now a state senator from nogakes..AP has a bordeline communist mayor..but a hipster through and through....How did Rocky Point not go AMLO?

Morena: Guaymas, San Luis Rio Colorado, Navojoa, Hermosillo, Obregón, Agua Prieta, Nogales, Bacadehuachi, Benjamín Hill, Caborca, Empalme, Etchojoa, Onavas, Pitiqito, Quiriego, San Ignacio Rio Muerto, Soyopa.

"The new scenario where the National Regeneration Movement (Morena) swept with 20 local councils, the seven largest municipalities in the state, the 7 federal councils and the Senate of the Republic, results from a condition of social anger on the one hand and hope on the other, while the re-foundation of the former first forces is raised as a first strategy"

Roberto said:

special fiscal treatment to the border cities of the State, with a reduction to half of the VAT and a reduction to 20% of the Income Tax, as well as eqequalize the cost of gasoline to that of the US border cities . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No body guards( might rethink that) and

• Won't live in Mexico City’s opulent 19th century presidential residence, Los Pinos (the Pines). “I won’t live in a mansion of any kind,” he told a recent gathering on the capital’s hardscrabble outskirts, promising to convert the building into an arts centre “for the Mexican people”.
  

• Selling the presidential planeand banning top officials from crisscrossing the country in private jets and helicopters. “All this is going to end … we cannot have a rich government and a poor people,” he said.
  

• Slashing his presidential salary and those of what he calls Mexico’s burocracia dorada (golden bureaucracy). “I’m going to earn half what Peña Nieto earns … and we are going to reduce the salaries of those who are on top so we can raise the salaries of those at the bottom,” Amlo pledged. “The teachers will earn more, the nurses, the doctors, the cleaners, the police, the soldiers, the marines ... the campesi
  

Where are yo finding this Information??

Roberto said:

Where are yo finding this Information??

Nogales International,Animal Politico etc translations....

Amlo's rhetoric is typical political crappola. Say what you need to get elected then do the opposite once in office. His comical claim he will reduce the pay at the top to give it to the millions on the bottom is fantasy at best. The establishment, political and otherwise, will do anything/everything to defend their power. Just ask President Trump about that. I predict Amlo will go down in flames and be ousted from office and viewed as a complete failure.

Well, that's optimistic! (sarcasm)

If he becomes adored by the poor as their hero (which is more or less what elected him already), I would worry more about those high on the money/power totem pole taking him out. Especially as Jerry mentioned above, he is refusing bodyguards or living in a protected palace.

Guess we'll see.

Queen of Kings said:

Amlo's rhetoric is typical political crappola. Say what you need to get elected then do the opposite once in office. His comical claim he will reduce the pay at the top to give it to the millions on the bottom is fantasy at best. The establishment, political and otherwise, will do anything/everything to defend their power. Just ask President Trump about that. I predict Amlo will go down in flames and be ousted from office and viewed as a complete failure.

Queen of Kings ... parroting extremist radio talking points like a pro...how about a comment or two on a few of the ideas listed above that pertain to the border region.

Since tourism is such a huge cash source for Mexico I would think any leader should consider all options to encourage tourists to come and spend their money. I still cry for Mexico. I read that 121 candidates of varying locales were assassinated during this election.

Love the tourist train across the south idea

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/197807/Mexicos-new-President-promises-higher-wages%2C-more-domestic-food-production. Really interesting...the idea of growing more food and importing less is interesting....these guys are all about food...

Leading up to the election I had many interesting conversations with many people in Tijuana. In about every case a business owner was not going to be voting for him and Maquila workers were going to vote for him. Most were very also uninformed about the current situation in Venezuela and of the comparisons of AMLO to Chavez. A young AMLO voter I talked to said she thinks the PRI will disappear. And an old guy in Penasco who is a friend said "where is AMLO going to get the money for all his promises, will he do magic tricks"

I thought the peso would tank if AMLO won but it has actually gained some ground since election day. I got 19.8 last week and today it is around 18.5 at the cambio houses. Let's hope is doesn't get whacked before he takes office because all hell would break loose in a lot of cities. I stumbled upon an AMLO event in Tijuana in June where he was speaking and the crowd was huge, streets shut down etc. and 500 peso notes were being handed out to people with a Morena label banded around each 500 peso note.

These pics were of voting day in Tijuana. The bus was full of one of the parties voters and they were going to get them to the polls no matter what!

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/07/if-theres-not-change-in-mexico-with.html?m=1#more . really good

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/transpeninsular-train/ . Love that train plan.