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God damn Heroin

Started by jerry · Dec 1, 2017 · 35 replies
jerry
https://www.facebook.com/sarah.wood.90260/posts/10212766218408766. A really good guy...we need better healthcare not prison
Queen of Kings
Feel free to send in a check with your donation for a better healthcare system.
jerry
Queen of Kings said:
Feel free to send in a check with your donation for a better healthcare system.

Somehow I have a feeling one day my tax dollars will be buying you and many of the other forum Republican rummies new livers....I'm cool with it! Drink up!
Petrose
Don't drink any more. I'll do a bowl and why not, 60 and retired so I can and have earned it.
Jungle Jim
Even though illegal for the average filthy hairy desert sand ape in old time Iran, the Shah allowed all "citizens" of age sixty or more to receive a free government supply of Tootsie Roll looking thick sticky black opium to smoke. You know the drill. The old shits would more sooner than later waste away therefore no longer be a burden on society.

The heroin issue is another subject altogether. Is now and always been the greatest culling drug of all time. Lowlifes, brain dead turds, low IQ assholes, retards, all a drain on civilized society eventually find the krap and terminate themselves quite willingly.

No one anywhere should "feel sorry" for them as they weren't mentally fit to be part of any civilization anyway. They are the reason we have cops and allow them to "protect" us from the junkies and somehow never complete the job.

Just saying,

JJ
dirtsurfer
jerry said:
Somehow I have a feeling one day my tax dollars will be buying you and many of the other forum Republican rummies new livers....I'm cool with it! Drink up!

I’ll take a new liver, and kidneys right now! :)
dirtsurfer
jerry said:
https://www.facebook.com/sarah.wood.90260/posts/10212766218408766. A really good guy...we need better healthcare not prison

Very well written and thought provoking. I at one time wanted to flush all addicts, including alcohol addicts (especially alcohol addicts as I had a father that was evil when he drank and he drank often) I have no pity on addicts now but do know there is hope and that they are real people. I have 4 men working for me that went through the bottom on their drug of choice and are working their way back. The willingness of these addicts to talk frankly about their experiences and their efforts to make a better life have changed me.
dirtsurfer
jerry said:
https://www.facebook.com/sarah.wood.90260/posts/10212766218408766. A really good guy...we need better healthcare not prison

J: I am told by my former addict employees that no amount of healthcare, counseling or care will help an addict until he himself makes the choice to change.
jerry
dirtsurfer said:
J: I am told by my former addict employees that no amount of healthcare, counseling or care will help an addict until he himself makes the choice to change.

think that sounds right but I did have 2 Yaqui guys on my crews that worked every day to pay for their heroin habit .They got it at bargain prices ( family business) and chipped away....always showed up....good concrete finishers to boot....slow and smooth
Stuart
dirtsurfer said:
J: I am told by my former addict employees that no amount of healthcare, counseling or care will help an addict until he himself makes the choice to change.


Troof.
Stuart
While it may come as surprise to some of y'all, I dealt with this issue very up close and personal in the 70's. It's why I joined the Navy, to escape everyone from high school dying of heroin overdoses. I was well on my way to joining them and decided "That's NOT me!"

Made it out alive, never looked back. Best thing I ever did in my life.
dirtsurfer
Here is a story from today’s news that helps us to understand just how powerful the grip of addiction is. The headline is about the officer but the underlying story of the struggle and decisions to keep using are what I found the most educational:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/15/health/police-officer-adopts-opioid-newborn-next-chapter-btc-beyond-the-call-of-duty/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion
dirtsurfer
dirtsurfer said:
Here is a story from today’s news that helps us to understand just how powerful the grip of addiction is. The headline is about the officer but the underlying story of the struggle and decisions to keep using are what I found the most educational:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/15/health/police-officer-adopts-opioid-newborn-next-chapter-btc-beyond-the-call-of-duty/?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

Also, god bless people like the officer in this story!
jerry
dirtsurfer said:
Also, god bless people like the officer in this story!

"I'm scared I'll get clean and not find the comfort that I find in my life like this," she said. "
my friend adopted his wife's alcohol addicted sisters boy ( she hooked up st rehab with a meth addict)....meth and fetal alcohol baby ......He is now 16 and doing pretty good....has trouble focusing at school but personable and good mechanically...having someone that gives a shit is really important.....the parents? hopeless ...ok...then not....repeat cycle
Landshark
dirtsurfer said:
J: I am told by my former addict employees that no amount of healthcare, counseling or care will help an addict until he himself makes the choice to change.

Heading to the jail in an hour to pick up my daughter who is being released for the second time around for heroin addiction. She completed the in jail rehab program and the judge agreed to an early release because of it. She says this time is different, she has decided drugs suck and wants to move on with life. Hope so because while so many organizations say they have a solution for addicts, they really don't unless the user is ready to quit. Maybe this time will be different, hope so because I'm out of ideas on how to help her and we're worn out from raising her born addicted 5 year old daughter.
jerry
Has she tried the monthly shots? This looks really promising...the rehab scammers must be panicking. https://www.ems1.com/opioids/articles/370920048-Scientists-Anti-heroin-vaccine-could-help-fight-opioid-addiction/
Landshark
jerry said:
Has she tried the monthly shots? This looks really promising...the rehab scammers must be panicking. https://www.ems1.com/opioids/articles/370920048-Scientists-Anti-heroin-vaccine-could-help-fight-opioid-addiction/

Didn't try this drug as that part of the battle happened a few years ago. Naltrexone was the drug then, injections, implant, or pills daily. The crappy healthcare wouldn't pay for the super expensive injections, daughter wouldn't let them cut her to put the implant in, so we went with the pills, and then she didn't take them but told me she did!!! Bottom line is you gotta want it. Drives me crazy...
Stuart
Shark... went through identical with step-daughter, only difference being meth, not heroin.

Raised the grandson for several years while she was in jail. Thank god she found beans and rice and Jesus Christ in jail. Today? Never know it happened. Married, good job, owns a home. But it all came from within.

Heroin, meth, whatever. There are two options. A) you die or B) you wake the fuck up and get clean and live life as it was meant to be.

Wish there were more options and chapters to the story. Sadly, there are not.
ernesto
http://ibogaine-therapy-europe.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-ibogaine-dr-deborah-mash.html
This may be the answer, I have seen it work
jerry
ernesto said:

Yes I have heard that worked for a Dutch friend too but this new vaccine looks incredibly promising from the story above.2.4 million Americans are addicted....mind boggling...
Landshark
jerry said:
Yes I have heard that worked for a Dutch friend too but this new vaccine looks incredibly promising from the story above.2.4 million Americans are addicted....mind boggling...

Basically a death sentence for many people. My younger athlete daughter is a firefighter EMT. She sees this crap every day. 911 calls for teenage kids with their resting heart rate at 230 saying they didn't take anything. Scary stuff...
"The National Institute on Drug Abuse states that between 40 and 60 percentof recovering drug addicts will eventually relapse. With heroin, those rates are even higher. Some experts place the rate of relapse for heroin addicts as high as 80 percent, which means that the recovery rate may be as low as 20 percent."
ernesto

Big pharma and our paid for elected officials are the problem. This is legal in Mexico , Brazil Costa ,Rica, New Zealand. Does not "cure" per se. Resets the brain and gives the addict another chance to choose the right path.
jerry
Mushrooms helped a friend a lot too...Sort of kept her from getting depressed after quitting alcohol
Landshark
ernesto said:

Big pharma and our paid for elected officials are the problem. This is legal in Mexico , Brazil Costa ,Rica, New Zealand. Does not "cure" per se. Resets the brain and gives the addict another chance to choose the right path.

Very accurate, it's all about the money like everything else. Pathetic...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/investigations/mckesson-dea-opioids-fine/2017/12/14/ab50ad0e-db5b-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html
dirtsurfer
Landshark said:
Heading to the jail in an hour to pick up my daughter who is being released for the second time around for heroin addiction. She completed the in jail rehab program and the judge agreed to an early release because of it. She says this time is different, she has decided drugs suck and wants to move on with life. Hope so because while so many organizations say they have a solution for addicts, they really don't unless the user is ready to quit. Maybe this time will be different, hope so because I'm out of ideas on how to help her and we're worn out from raising her born addicted 5 year old daughter.

May the gods grant you all of the help, patience and wisdom you require. You are a great person.
Sonya Blade
Chillstep with 2-3 glasses of wine is the best cure. You don't really need drugs to relax.
Landshark
Sonya Blade said:
Chillstep with 2-3 glasses of wine is the best cure.

Kinda true...moderation is the key, especially if it's a daily habit. Alcohol can be a tonic, or a poison. In my misled youth I was on the losing end of that deal. Thankfully common sense prevailed.
jerry
the genetic testing sites give you clues to see if you can try chillsteps....some people it is all or nothing....in the genes...not willpower
gofastsandman
Landshark said:
Heading to the jail in an hour to pick up my daughter who is being released for the second time around for heroin addiction. She completed the in jail rehab program and the judge agreed to an early release because of it. She says this time is different, she has decided drugs suck and wants to move on with life. Hope so because while so many organizations say they have a solution for addicts, they really don't unless the user is ready to quit. Maybe this time will be different, hope so because I'm out of ideas on how to help her and we're worn out from raising her born addicted 5 year old daughter.

Sorry to hear this.
Hard one there.
I walked away from cocaine.
Let me know if I can help.
jerry
gofastsandman said:
Sorry to hear this.
Hard one there.
I walked away from cocaine.
Let me know if I can help.

Sounds like the start of a good blues song...I walked away from cocaine but she come running after me...
Jungle Jim
How about Charlie Darwin the Sword of Stupidity as you're to damned dumb to breed? Fogerty could probably make it work with a new riff of "Runnin Thru The Jungle".

Anyone or anything that damned dumb should never be able to pass on that inbred stupidity to the future of any species to include the most stupid of all animals: Homo Sapiens.

JJ
deewelch
Heroine will destroy yourself...
Sonya Blade
Landshark said:
Kinda true...moderation is the key, especially if it's a daily habit. Alcohol can be a tonic, or a poison. In my misled youth I was on the losing end of that deal. Thankfully common sense prevailed.


Gone are the days when there's a clean party without booze and drugs. People can't dance without getting high/drunk lol. I agree it increases dopamine levels and raises the happiness factor but nobody understands "control".
jerry
Sonya Blade said:
Gone are the days when there's a clean party without booze and drugs. People can't dance without getting high/drunk lol. I agree it increases dopamine levels and raises the happiness factor but nobody understands "control".

Just spent New Year's in Nashville...now that place is out of control...
BeachyKeen
Landshark said:
Didn't try this drug as that part of the battle happened a few years ago. Naltrexone was the drug then, injections, implant, or pills daily. The crappy healthcare wouldn't pay for the super expensive injections, daughter wouldn't let them cut her to put the implant in, so we went with the pills, and then she didn't take them but told me she did!!! Bottom line is you gotta want it. Drives me crazy...

I don’t care if I get made fun of but from extremely personal experience methadone does help some people if they use it properly And only with Jesus did myself and my husband beat very addictive and life changing drugs. I pray often throughout my day and you , your family and your daughter will go on my prayer list. I’m not pushing religion on anyone, the real Jesus is not about religion anyways but redemption is possible, the road is not promised to be easy and I hope for peace in the near future! Never give up even if you must do tough love , that is not giving up on someone.
dirtsurfer
BeachyKeen said:
I don’t care if I get made fun of but from extremely personal experience methadone does help some people if they use it properly And only with Jesus did myself and my husband beat very addictive and life changing drugs. I pray often throughout my day and you , your family and your daughter will go on my prayer list. I’m not pushing religion on anyone, the real Jesus is not about religion anyways but redemption is possible, the road is not promised to be easy and I hope for peace in the near future! Never give up even if you must do tough love , that is not giving up on someone.

Great words to inspire! Thank you and good luck.