So on this forum I can revert to childish name calling of anyone that doesn't have the same beliefs as I do? Awesome!
That's what caught your attention.....
Have you seen the things that people that think like you have said and the swinging dick emoji's... ? Lol... wow.
Listen,respectfully not interested in arguing with a Trump fan from Texas about the issue;but if you have noticed none of your 32 congressmen are crazy about it.....because it could negatively effect trade
Our issue is a bit different.There is that-trade... but if this gets ugly it could make it hard to sell property in our area and effect our costs in fees etc. On the other hand if people are seeing different results it would be good to know the facts.I just had a guy bail on something I had spent a lot of time on....because of the uncertainty the wall and war of words is creating.
Bingo. I think that's why many people don't respond and in fact have left . . . .
Like I said.I just want this about the nuts and bolts.....are property sales slowing,are prices being effected,is the climate of anger starting to appear,are buyers coming in that are getting deported in bigger numbers...stuff like that.
I edited part of this from GV Jack - thank you and apologies for my copy/paste.
I also want to thank the forum for helping me to appreciate Rocky Point and the Mexican people. What we learned has served us well.
A special thanks to Seadweller, Azbeachboy, Woodspinner, RockyPoint Joe, Bruce + Julie, Lady Jeeper, Linda, Kenny and also Jerry - appreciate the hospitality in Las Dunas when we visited with Doug a number of years ago. Sorry for leaving others out - not intentional.
We enjoy the heck out of our time in PP, and look forward to more of it in the future. Facebook seems to have captured the time and energy of many (but not me - I refuse to conform just yet), and as such this forum isn't quite what it used to be as far as posts from folks we know, but for the most part - I still visit once in a while. We are fortunate to have friends such as Chuck and Val, Bill + Edna, and Mark + Barb - among others in RP, and we hope this forum can continue in a beneficial way to everyone - I know we are better visitors for visiting this site. Rocky Point will be a place we return to, to enjoy the beach, friends, and kind atmosphere.
thank you folks!
I edited part of this from GV Jack - thank you and apologies for my copy/paste.
I also want to thank the forum for helping me to appreciate Rocky Point and the Mexican people. What we learned has served us well.
A special thanks to Seadweller, Azbeachboy, Woodspinner, RockyPoint Joe, Bruce + Julie, Lady Jeeper, Linda, Kenny and also Jerry - appreciate the hospitality in Las Dunas when we visited with Doug a number of years ago. Sorry for leaving others out - not intentional.
We enjoy the heck out of our time in PP, and look forward to more of it in the future. Facebook seems to have captured the time and energy of many (but not me - I refuse to conform just yet), and as such this forum isn't quite what it used to be as far as posts from folks we know, but for the most part - I still visit once in a while. We are fortunate to have friends such as Chuck and Val, Bill + Edna, and Mark + Barb - among others in RP, and we hope this forum can continue in a beneficial way to everyone - I know we are better visitors for visiting this site. Rocky Point will be a place we return to, to enjoy the beach, friends, and kind atmosphere.
thank you folks!
You too Joe....we used to fight about issues that were not in reality part of our everyday life...war and peace on a abstract level until a stray cousin came home in a box etc...this new relationship with Mexico is huge,hard to quantity at this point and could wreck us....notice the silence from the real estate sales force.....on thing for sure the Mexican middle class is getting priced out...peso falling daily
The "WALL" between Yuma County Arizona and Sonora Mexico is 115 miles long. It was constructed almost ten years ago. It is solid steel sixteen to twenty feet tall, constructed with MEXICAN contracted steel. Before it was built Yuma County had the most apprehensions of ILLEGAL aliens in the country with almost three hundred thousand captured per year. Since the "WALL" has been in place there is a 91.9% reduction of those Felony Criminals entering the FUSA through Yuma County. They and their drug running compadres have moved their operations east to Pima County and bordering Maricopa County where they only have to deal with criminal supportive Indians and worthless complicit Federal Park employees where no barrier is permitted SO FAR.
The "WALL" between California and Baja California is of the same construction and has less than thirty miles not yet built due to terrain conditions like vertical granite rock faces in the mountains of eastern San Diego County. I can recall when people said that there would never be a barrier between Mexico and the Imperial County dunes, sorry doubters, just take a drive west on I-8 anyone can plainly see it from the highway. The BP has full time heavy equipment operators moving the drifting sand away from the "WALL".
Obviously there are occasional breeches such as cutting out sections with a torch, burrowing under, makeshift bridges and catapults. That will soon end.
The "WALL" between Yuma County Arizona and Sonora Mexico is 115 miles long. It was constructed almost ten years ago. It is solid steel sixteen to twenty feet tall, constructed with MEXICAN contracted steel. Before it was built Yuma County had the most apprehensions of ILLEGAL aliens in the country with almost three hundred thousand captured per year. Since the "WALL" has been in place there is a 91.9% reduction of those Felony Criminals entering the FUSA through Yuma County. They and their drug running compadres have moved their operations east to Pima County and bordering Maricopa County where they only have to deal with criminal supportive Indians and worthless complicit Federal Park employees where no barrier is permitted SO FAR.
The "WALL" between California and Baja California is of the same construction and has less than thirty miles not yet built due to terrain conditions like vertical granite rock faces in the mountains of eastern San Diego County. I can recall when people said that there would never be a barrier between Mexico and the Imperial County dunes, sorry doubters, just take a drive west on I-8 anyone can plainly see it from the highway. The BP has full time heavy equipment operators moving the drifting sand away from the "WALL".
Obviously there are occasional breeches such as cutting out sections with a torch, burrowing under, makeshift bridges and catapults. That will soon end.
As you might recall there was little or no hysterical pissing, moaning and liquid horse shit spewing from the rabid mouths of the American commies back when Dubya commissioned the "WALL". The only moaning and groaning was from a very few tree huggers "concerned" about the free migration of certain "endangered" animals that don't even migrate. The concession was to construct ground level "gateways" to allow them to pass through. Those gateways can be easily seen from the Mex Hwy as it parallels the "WALL". They just happen to be a convenient 36" wide by 24" tall, just the right size for a grown up human bean to pass through. I later found out from BP friends that gateways were deliberately designed with those dimensions contrary to hugger requirements to allow the invaders through. This made to BP patrols much easier since they mostly had to keep an eye on the gateways and not the entire "WALL".
I remember back in the late nineties when I was still in the Army Reserve flying out of Yuma Proving Ground, one of our missions was to fly over the Goldwater Range to flush out the invaders before laser weapons testing could be conducted. Sometimes we would come across groups of a hundred or more. They would hear the helicopter coming their way and just flop down on the ground. We would radio BP and hover over them until they took control. They never got more than ten or twelve as the rest took off in every direction. The upity-ups figured that we gave em enough warning did the tests anyway. Those were death rays generated on the ground from the Proving Ground, beamed up to a satellite then redirected to targets the size of dinner plates on the ground in the Goldwater Range. We would fly out and retrieve the targets. Almost all were direct hits!
As you might recall there was little or no hysterical pissing, moaning and liquid horse shit spewing from the rabid mouths of the American commies back when Dubya commissioned the "WALL". The only moaning and groaning was from a very few tree huggers "concerned" about the free migration of certain "endangered" animals that don't even migrate. The concession was to construct ground level "gateways" to allow them to pass through. Those gateways can be easily seen from the Mex Hwy as it parallels the "WALL". They just happen to be a convenient 36" wide by 24" tall, just the right size for a grown up human bean to pass through. I later found out from BP friends that gateways were deliberately designed with those dimensions contrary to hugger requirements to allow the invaders through. This made to BP patrols much easier since they mostly had to keep an eye on the gateways and not the entire "WALL".
I remember back in the late nineties when I was still in the Army Reserve flying out of Yuma Proving Ground, one of our missions was to fly over the Goldwater Range to flush out the invaders before laser weapons testing could be conducted. Sometimes we would come across groups of a hundred or more. They would hear the helicopter coming their way and just flop down on the ground. We would radio BP and hover over them until they took control. They never got more than ten or twelve as the rest took off in every direction. The upity-ups figured that we gave em enough warning did the tests anyway. Those were death rays generated on the ground from the Proving Ground, beamed up to a satellite then redirected to targets the size of dinner plates on the ground in the Goldwater Range. We would fly out and retrieve the targets. Almost all were direct hits!
JJ
All that tech you tested and the Sand men are still handing us our ass in the Mideast.....maybe go to solar and wind☀️
I live on a smuggling route at my ranch...used to see 300 a night in 2006 ( now none)...most had jobs waiting,hell vans would pick some up just south of Bowie and head north toward Safford and then out of state headed to meat packing in Nebraska,drywall hanging in Wisconsin,chicken and pig processing in nc.....they were lured here and have earned the right to stay...
We have had the tech to take out ALL of The Sand Critters in the ME for many years. Our "leaders" just are not interested in using it as our never ending supply of young volunteer Americans seem to always be available. The Rules of Engagement for our fighting men are always in favor of the enemy. Those laser weapons were developed to turn the eyeballs of enemy pilots and tankers into hard boiled eggs. Other systems were designed to destroy their electronics. The Sand Critters don't even use that kind of equipment so it's of no use against them. I've gotta feelin that they are hunkered down in their filthy goat poop smeared mud huts tonight wonderin just what kind of hell is gonna be rainin down on em in the next few weeks.
I've also gotta running bet with my wife as to what day next week our new head of Homeland Security deploys the United States Army to the Mexican border. We don't need no stinkin wall once the invaders realize that there IS a new sheriff in town and he IS gonna do his job and has real bullets in his guns.
I didn't mention that there is still an open corridor right here in my neighborhood that is deliberately left open for the invaders. It's the Colorado River. They can't, won't or who knows why fence it off or control it. It's banks include Arizona, California and Baja California. Every day to include just a few hours ago I see young men walking down my street in wet clothes and black jumbo garbage bags slung over their shoulders unchallenged by any LEO's. They call the local Mexican owned taxis to pick em up just a block from here again, unchallenged by any LEO's. Why???
We have had the tech to take out ALL of The Sand Critters in the ME for many years. Our "leaders" just are not interested in using it as our never ending supply of young volunteer Americans seem to always be available. The Rules of Engagement for our fighting men are always in favor of the enemy. Those laser weapons were developed to turn the eyeballs of enemy pilots and tankers into hard boiled eggs. Other systems were designed to destroy their electronics. The Sand Critters don't even use that kind of equipment so it's of no use against them. I've gotta feelin that they are hunkered down in their filthy goat poop smeared mud huts tonight wonderin just what kind of hell is gonna be rainin down on em in the next few weeks.
I've also gotta running bet with my wife as to what day next week our new head of Homeland Security deploys the United States Army to the Mexican border. We don't need no stinkin wall once the invaders realize that there IS a new sheriff in town and he IS gonna do his job and has real bullets in his guns.
I didn't mention that there is still an open corridor right here in my neighborhood that is deliberately left open for the invaders. It's the Colorado River. They can't, won't or who knows why fence it off or control it. It's banks include Arizona, California and Baja California. Every day to include just a few hours ago I see young men walking down my street in wet clothes and black jumbo garbage bags slung over their shoulders unchallenged by any LEO's. They call the local Mexican owned taxis to pick em up just a block from here again, unchallenged by any LEO's. Why???
JJ
Because we need them to make the modern miracle of today's agriculture work....in 20 years it will be different...Your hero Trump just screwed up his first call in Yemen bigly...he was rolled by the Hawks and 75 million dollar helicopter now a hunk of junk...a dead seal in a box....why..to get some vhs training videos made in 2005....all done because we answer to the Saudi masters....same reason the war with Iran may be coming.
The USMC V22 Osprey is an unarmed flying bus. Senior Sotero's left over moles deliberately ratted the mission out to the sand buggers. Wadda country we now live in!
The USMC V22 Osprey is an unarmed flying bus. Senior Sotero's left over moles deliberately ratted the mission out to the sand buggers. Wadda country we now live in!
JJ
Ended up killing a local tribal Allie of the Saudis....what are we even doing there?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/world/americas/rex-tillerson-mexico-border-relations.html Big meeting today...Trump wants to get Mexico to take not only its citizens but all waiting deportation hearings that arrived via Mexico.This is a nonstarter of course but just the idea of even Mexican only refugee camps along the border will make our visits iffy in many ways we cannot yet get a clear picture of...the immigration courts are backed up and cannot deal with the numbers of deportations Obama ordered let alone the new trump net ( sort of like this..Obama deported you for driving 95 mph in a school zone in the last few years while Trump will deport you for going 60mph in a 55 zone)...remember deported 2 million people in 8 years....
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/world/americas/rex-tillerson-mexico-border-relations.html Big meeting today...Trump wants to get Mexico to take not only its citizens but all waiting deportation hearings that arrived via Mexico.This is a nonstarter of course but just the idea of even Mexican only refugee camps along the border will make our visits iffy in many ways we cannot yet get a clear picture of...the immigration courts are backed up and cannot deal with the numbers of deportations Obama ordered let alone the new trump net ( sort of like this..Obama deported you for driving 95 mph in a school zone in the last few years while Trump will deport you for going 60mph in a 55 zone)...remember deported 2 million people in 8 years....
Obama 'deported' those numbers ONLY if you count his catch at the border and turn around policy a 'deportation'. Many don't. As far as returning OTM's back to Mexico, seems fair. They came from Mexico. Why should the US incur the huge cost of flying them back to their home country? Hopefully this will become a non-issue once the huge, beautiful wall is built.
Obama 'deported' those numbers ONLY if you count his catch at the border and turn around policy a 'deportation'. Many don't. As far as returning OTM's back to Mexico, seems fair. They came from Mexico. Why should the US incur the huge cost of flying them back to their home country? Hopefully this will become a non-issue once the huge, beautiful wall is built.
As I said, Mexico will never go for that idea....Do you have property in Mexico?
As I said, Mexico will never go for that idea....Do you have property in Mexico?
And, by law Mexico does not have to. It is a relatively obscure portion of the law. I view it as more of a bargaining chip for the US to use.
And, no, I do not have property in Mexico. That is really not germane to the enforcement of US immigration law. I understand that it will probably have a negative effect on you personally, but that really has no bearing on the US enforcing its own laws.
And, by law Mexico does not have to. It is a relatively obscure portion of the law. I view it as more of a bargaining chip for the US to use.
And, no, I do not have property in Mexico. That is really not germane to the enforcement of US immigration law. I understand that it will probably have a negative effect on you personally, but that really has no bearing on the US enforcing its own laws.
The purpose of this thread is for us with ties to Sonora to share information.Maybe if you don't have these economic interests in the border regions you should start your own thread....tourist...
Not a tourist. I held a Mexican work visa for seven years. As part owner of that company I had millions of dollars of economic interests in Juarez. I am sure that I crossed the border more times in those seven years than you have in your entire life or will in the future combined.
But, you have a point about the purpose of this thread. I truly do hope that you folks continue to be able to enjoy your spot in Mexico without hassle.
Not a tourist. I held a Mexican work visa for seven years. As part owner of that company I had millions of dollars of economic interests in Juarez. I am sure that I crossed the border more times in those seven years than you have in your entire life or will in the future combined.
But, you have a point about the purpose of this thread. I truly do hope that you folks continue to be able to enjoy your spot in Mexico without hassle.
I hope we folks continue to enjoy our spots as well, since many of us paid big bucks to local contractors to make those spots, continue to employ local service industries to maintain and repair those spots, pay annual taxes to keep those spots, and spend lots of bucks for dining and entertainment when we visit those spots.
Ha! (I guess I don’t take kindly to the suggestion that – due to reinstatement / re-enforcement of US border law – I, as a law-abiding, residency-compliant Permanente in Mexico might be “hassled.")
I hope we folks continue to enjoy our spots as well, since many of us paid big bucks to local contractors to make those spots, continue to employ local service industries to maintain and repair those spots, pay annual taxes to keep those spots, and spend lots of bucks for dining and entertainment when we visit those spots.
Mexico has cards to play in this negotiation.Those decisions will be made in Mexico City which like Trump Tower is a ways from the border lands. We will end up paying in some way for this Black Swan event.....
Mexico has cards to play in this negotiation.Those decisions will be made in Mexico City which like Trump Tower is a ways from the border lands. We will end up paying in some way for this Black Swan event.....
Oh well -- It's their tourism industry to build or destroy.
Oh well -- It's their tourism industry to build or destroy.
But all along the border individuals, businesses,corporations are getting involv d....making the point that regardless of the wall....the deportations and the changes in trade rules will hurt us economically in Southern Az and Northern Mexico. Gus Brown has huge projects on the table that are sitting till his team sees how this plays out...massive desalination plant,a solar farm,huge sea world type park,creation of a canal system....Homeport of course......
It was good enough for obozo. He doubled the debt from about 10 trillion to about 20 trillion dollars in his eight pitiful years. 21 billion is chump change compared to what obozo wasted.
Sixteen years ago almost to the day I had a black Jaguar cross my path, SIXTY MILES NORTH OF YUMA!
We were on the Arizona side of the Colorado River in the Trigo Mountain Wilderness Area. That area is heavily wooded with Cottonwoods, Willows and Mesquites near the water and the washes that cut into the west side of the Trigos have thick stands of Ironwoods and Palo Verdes. We were in one of my Wranglers pushing through some thick brush in a narrow sandy wash and decided to stop for a pee and a fresh Pacifico. No more than fifty feet from us a BIG black cat hopped out of a Palo Verde thicket and calmly walked across the wash. It stopped in the middle of the wash, gave us a stare-down and slowly made its way to the other side, hopped into the brush and was gone. From that day on I never leave the Jeep without my S&W 38 Special on my hip as per the one in my hand on my avatar above.
I reported the sighting to the BLM here in Yuma and they must of thought I was crazy as no one ever contacted me for a follow up. At first we thought it was a Mountain Lion in a dark color phase but as I learned later Pumas don't have a dark phase. That particular region along the Colorado is loaded with deer, big horns, burros and wild cattle. We see occasionally see Cougars and Bobcats on our expeditions but nothing like the animal we saw that day.
Most people aren't aware of the fact that the Gila River and the lower Colorado River flood plains were forests of Cottonwoods and Willows before the dams were constructed. Thousands of long dead Cottonwood trunks can still be seen piled up along the Gila from Painted Rock Dam westward. There are many reports of Jaguars being killed in those areas less than one hundred years ago.
When I was stationed in Panama with the 210th. Combat Aviation Battalion I saw many Jaguars from our Hueys, sometimes walking along dirt trails and even swimming across the canal and Gatun Lake to the many islands there. The favorite food of those cats in Panama was domestic dogs and the Green Iguana. When I lived there in base housing at Howard AFB no one left their dogs out at night as the jungle was just across the street from the bungalos.
Sixteen years ago almost to the day I had a black Jaguar cross my path, SIXTY MILES NORTH OF YUMA!
We were on the Arizona side of the Colorado River in the Trigo Mountain Wilderness Area. That area is heavily wooded with Cottonwoods, Willows and Mesquites near the water and the washes that cut into the west side of the Trigos have thick stands of Ironwoods and Palo Verdes. We were in one of my Wranglers pushing through some thick brush in a narrow sandy wash and decided to stop for a pee and a fresh Pacifico. No more than fifty feet from us a BIG black cat hopped out of a Palo Verde thicket and calmly walked across the wash. It stopped in the middle of the wash, gave us a stare-down and slowly made its way to the other side, hopped into the brush and was gone. From that day on I never leave the Jeep without my S&W 38 Special on my hip as per the one in my hand on my avatar above.
I reported the sighting to the BLM here in Yuma and they must of thought I was crazy as no one ever contacted me for a follow up. At first we thought it was a Mountain Lion in a dark color phase but as I learned later Pumas don't have a dark phase. That particular region along the Colorado is loaded with deer, big horns, burros and wild cattle. We see occasionally see Cougars and Bobcats on our expeditions but nothing like the animal we saw that day.
Most people aren't aware of the fact that the Gila River and the lower Colorado River flood plains were forests of Cottonwoods and Willows before the dams were constructed. Thousands of long dead Cottonwood trunks can still be seen piled up along the Gila from Painted Rock Dam westward. There are many reports of Jaguars being killed in those areas less than one hundred years ago.
When I was stationed in Panama with the 210th. Combat Aviation Battalion I saw many Jaguars from our Hueys, sometimes walking along dirt trails and even swimming across the canal and Gatun Lake to the many islands there. The favorite food of those cats in Panama was domestic dogs and the Green Iguana. When I lived there in base housing at Howard AFB no one left their dogs out at night as the jungle was just across the street from the bungalos.
JJ
Jim, I am friends with a G&F hunter out my way who is in the group that thins coyotes and other predators...they have seen jagaurundi out my way but never report it as it would open a can of worms for the ranchers..guys they have grown up with. We saw one 18 months ago crossing a dirt road at dusk...black,different tail and low to the ground...SSBD didn't believe me!
While we are by no means Trump supporters, we are certainly very glad to see that Trump is addressing the huge problem of the H1-B visas. We are both retired now, but both worked in the tech industry and saw the problems this visa created. American companies should be required to hire American people first. Instead, many high tech companies hire these Indians because they can hire them much cheaper. http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/h-1b-whistleblower-visa-abuse-rampant-every-state/
Give me a break.....there is no shortage of engineers in the US. It's all about corporate greed and hiring foreigners because they can pay them considerably less. Thought Trump was going to address this issue.....guess it's all for show.
http://gas2.org/2017/05/08/tesla-job-fair-event-mexico-draws-hundreds-applicants/ "The Trump plan is designed to insure that qualified American workers are not priced out of the market by foreigners who are willing to work for less money. The fact that Tesla is unable to find enough qualified American workers for its factory in Fremont, California pretty much shows those concerns are spurious."
I have been friends with a "married couple" both from Mexico that live here illegally for 15 years.....she cleans houses etc for cash only, he works under her brothers name.....he pays income taxes on the payroll he collects, everyone pays sales taxes on all commercial goods bought. Here's the problem, they rent houses for cash(I assume the owner of the house is not reporting any rental income on the house)only buy old used cars(no taxes), they have 5 kids and somehow has been on State aide for as long as I have known them(food stamps, health care for kids and mom)
The list goes on, All money I earn get taxes of near 50% in the end, I pay $800 per month for my family's health insurance policy(+5k deductible yearly) so my $14,600 in health insurance every year pays for illegal immigrants to walk into the hospital and not pay a dime.....so in 10 years I've spent almost $150,000 in health care and they have been given coverage valued at $175,000 both out of the same "honey jar" sort to speak...
Now let's all be human these are good people with beautiful children and a great family I say let them stay but let's make a tax penalty for all the years of residence, nothing ridiculous only maybe $1000 per year spent here illegally.
Think you are wrong about the insurance for the parents but if the kids are born here they are as American as we are...and deserve healthcare,education,food stamps etc.
Think you are wrong about the insurance for the parents but if the kids are born here they are as American as we are...and deserve healthcare,education,food stamps etc.
Wrong! They are not as American as most of us. They all still act as if Mexico is as good as sliced bread and refuse to support America. If Mexico is so great why leave and freeload from the people that make America great?
Wrong! They are not as American as most of us. They all still act as if Mexico is as good as sliced bread and refuse to support America. If Mexico is so great why leave and freeload from the people that make America great?
Like you made anything in your whole life great....
Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
You just keep believing that crap. One thing about it, no one can tell you anything, because your mouth never stops moving Mr. Know it all.
You just keep believing that crap. One thing about it, no one can tell you anything, because your mouth never stops moving Mr. Know it all.
You need to travel more...seeing how well Mexicans blend in to our society compared to say the refugees flowing into Europe thanks to our failed wars in the mideast is obvious if you want to look.
Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
So what about withholding taxes from their paychecks? Under the table pay was certainly know to happen, but for all your praises, you're no better than exploiting them for your own greed. Not to mention stiffing the people who do pay their fair share in taxes.
Mexican's from south of the border aren't the only ones taking advantage of the system.
Unfortunately 25-30% of the transactions in the US economy are cash only. There are so many different nationalities doing this. A lot of white people taking advantage of the $$ system too.
I have known white's, black's, Puerto Ricans a couple of Asians who do cash only, rent cash only and collect welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and SS disability (after working long enough in the system).
Taking advantage of the free $$ available to help the poor has become a lifestyle for many not so poor, looking to be poor, but are only interested in scamming the system.
Mexican's from south of the border aren't the only ones taking advantage of the system.
Unfortunately 25-30% of the transactions in the US economy are cash only. There are so many different nationalities doing this. A lot of white people taking advantage of the $$ system too.
I have known white's, black's, Puerto Ricans a couple of Asians who do cash only, rent cash only and collect welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and SS disability (after working long enough in the system).
Taking advantage of the free $$ available to help the poor has become a lifestyle for many not so poor, looking to be poor, but are only interested in scamming the system.
Still I would argue the underground cash economy might be good for the country....fluid,fast moving,gap filling raw capitalism that can be shut down when it gets out of hand....I need to study it...
So what about withholding taxes from their paychecks? Under the table pay was certainly know to happen, but for all your praises, you're no better than exploiting them for your own greed. Not to mention stiffing the people who do pay their fair share in taxes.
I did pay taxes...some were born here and some used fake social security numbers at first I believe.then bit by bit got green cards or citizenship...they never recoup those payments...go right to the treasury
I did pay taxes...some were born here and some used fake social security numbers at first I believe.then bit by bit got green cards or citizenship...they never recoup those payments...go right to the treasury
So until they got a green card you condoned and supported their identity theft from a innocent American citizen, regardless of how it effected that citizen. Probably claimed the max dependents to have the least if any taxes withheld. Go ahead and tell us again how this helps our economy? You're no better then they are. Let's build that wall with hopes you stay south of it.
So until they got a green card you condoned and supported their identity theft from a innocent American citizen, regardless of how it effected that citizen. Probably claimed the max dependents to have the least if any taxes withheld. Go ahead and tell us again how this helps our economy? You're no better then they are. Let's build that wall with hopes you stay south of it.
Angry rightwing "just drink in Mexico" white men...you build your own walls thank goodness
How do they pay Income and payroll taxes without a valid Social security number ?
They have valid numbers...just someone else's ...no one wants to work that way and they get it together after a while..same with drivers licenses..these Republican created " independent" DMVs are the illegal workers best friend....side note ... everybody knows these things right...how the game is played...big and small
Someone took my SSN, and then filed for California unemployment. State of California called me because they could see I was working, and required me to file an affidavit.
Someone took my SSN, and then filed for California unemployment. State of California called me because they could see I was working, and required me to file an affidavit.
This was of course years ago...plus they have it figured out...labor contracters buy lists for the perfectly an/pistachio harvests...from the inside
“What keeps Ali in Mexico is not the danger of crossing the border, but rather the new administration's anti-immigrant rhetoric “ Oh now that’s funny. I especially loved the use of “anti immigrant” in lieu of “anti-invader.”
“What keeps Ali in Mexico is not the danger of crossing the border, but rather the new administration's anti-immigrant rhetoric “ Oh now that’s funny. I especially loved the use of “anti immigrant” in lieu of “anti-invader.”
We created the environment that blew up the Mideast...seems fair to take our share...my point is : RP may gain economically from our long time deranged foriegn policy
I can’t blame anyone for wanting to improve their lot. The U.S. immigration policy is similar to a bag of angry cats and neither side politically acts in good stewardship. One thing for sure, the U.S. is an incredible rockstar when it comes to productivity and production: http://www.businessinsider.com/california-gdp-crushes-everyone-2016-6
It is a tough one but if climate change can be fought,trade deals improved to include livable wages maybe the movement of people can be slowed..,.hell the robots are going to do all the shit jobs and the mid level white collar soon anyways....
Looks like the wall is dead for good....Trump also delivered his usual fabrications about how Democrats didn’t want to protect DACA beneficiaries. Several times, though, the offer was on the table: Trump could get his full, $25 billion wall, if he’d offer a path to citizenship for the full Dreamer population. Trump could never accept this, though, insisting instead an extra element of either sharp cuts to illegal immigration or an expansion of interior enforcement powers. He got $641 million and 33 miles of see-through physical barriers in this bill, and that’s the last such “wall” monies he may ever get.
Maybe 600000 were brought here as children from Mexico.Being in the trades in Southern Az. for years I know 10 or so from Mexico 5 speak no Spanish.....I may face being a guardian for 3 great kids from a wonderful Honduran couple...the brother and sister are afraid to do it.....putting a house in my name even.....Jesus Christ...never thought I would be in this position at 67 years old!....oh well might be fun...
Maybe 600000 were brought here as children from Mexico.Being in the trades in Southern Az. for years I know 10 or so from Mexico 5 speak no Spanish.....I may face being a guardian for 3 great kids from a wonderful Honduran couple...the brother and sister are afraid to do it.....putting a house in my name even.....Jesus Christ...never thought I would be in this position at 67 years old!....oh well might be fun...
Things like that can turn out to be the most rewarding, keep you feeling young too! We have permanent guardianship of our 5 yr old granddaughter, have raised her since birth. Never saw that coming, just kinda happened, meant to be I guess. At age 64 I never thought I would be planning my life around a school schedule, soccer practice and games, swim lessons, and and. Very rewarding, so many priceless memories, so many more to come...unless it kills me. :) Just do it Jerry!